Crucible is Fundamentally Flawed - Especially at endgame

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GunHammers wrote:

From a game programming standpoint it would make more sense for the alter to be the one that checks the item level, base type , unique or not. and then assign it a skill tree.

Otherwise you are adding pointless data to trillions of items that drop on the ground, Another issue is that those weapons that do not drop from this league will not have the passive tree available, therefore it will not work on items dropped before crucible meaning you would need to design two methods for the trees to be added to a weapon. Why not design only one ?

Its logical for it to be done this way even if from a gameplay perspective it may not be convenient, I'm hoping there are 3-4 alters per zone but we will have to wait and see.

I understand your frustration but honestly just sounds like b****ing to me.
Take care.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

Items don't drop with a skill tree. There aren't trillions of items that drop on the ground with pointless stats. That's not how it works.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also if you "theory" was correct, it doesn't explain how you already have choices at the altar to start with if the tree isn't predetermined on drop for the item, before you do any charging.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

Items don't drop with a skill tree. There aren't trillions of items that drop on the ground with pointless stats. That's not how it works.

You don't know that for sure. That's not how the items drop to begin with. They have pre-determined rolls on their affixes. It doesn't roll when you ID it. It's clear you do not know what you are talking about.

Also if you "theory" was correct, it doesn't explain how you already have choices at the altar to start with if the tree isn't predetermined on drop for the item, before you do any charging.

You are acting like the altar behaves as some sort of a currency item, which is totally made up on your end, with zero evidence.

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Jadian wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also if you "theory" was correct, it doesn't explain how you already have choices at the altar to start with if the tree isn't predetermined on drop for the item, before you do any charging.

They have shown a weapon without a skill tree at an altar (though it was not selected), and they never showed a weapon with a skill tree, but with no crucible experience. It's entirely possible that a weapon has to receive crucible experience before its skill tree is visible.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

Items don't drop with a skill tree. There aren't trillions of items that drop on the ground with pointless stats. That's not how it works.

You don't know that for sure. That's not how the items drop to begin with. They have pre-determined rolls on their affixes. It doesn't roll when you ID it. It's clear you do not know what you are talking about.

Also if you "theory" was correct, it doesn't explain how you already have choices at the altar to start with if the tree isn't predetermined on drop for the item, before you do any charging.

You are acting like the altar behaves as some sort of a currency item, which is totally made up on your end, with zero evidence.

You seem oddly certain of something that you cannot be certain of, yourself.

A while back I remember Chris Wilson saying something to the effect of that originally items were rolled as they dropped, but that ended up causing too much unnecessary server load (calculating the mods on every dropped item, even if it's never looked at) and so it was changed such that items are now rolled when you pick them up, not when they are dropped. They do not drop with the mods already calculated. I don't have the reference handy (I think it was a Baeclast episode) but I'll look for it.

And, I'm taking that fact along the wording that GGG has provided ("In an iconically Path of Exile way, your weapons can now be imbued with powerful Passive Skill Trees of their own.") to make the educated guess that the weapon passive trees are also not being pre-calculated on drop. There's no reason to waste resources doing that. They are calculated when they need to be.

Of course I cannot know the exact details; I haven't written the code. But I am a software engineer, I have some insight to these things, I know how I would do it, and coupled with what GGG has already said, there's no reason to believe they would do it the way it was described in the post I was responding to.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

No you are thinking of items that are filtered out not getting rendered (because people wouldn't pick them up anyways)

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Another obvious example is when items drop ID'd from either map / strongbox mods, or unique items that do the same. We actually had this happen during Sentinel when people were looking for good recombinator base affixes.