8/8 Ruthless?
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I do think there are things in this patch to get bent out of shape over, but this one feels a little hollow. I personally would advocate for HC, SSF and Ruthless to each have their own totem reward (not MTX...though I wouldn't care if it was different MTX). I guess that creates a strange set of permutations since you can mix those things together, so maybe not.
I don't know, someone getting a special totem for doing a very hard mode doesn't feel like something to be angry about for me. I'm personally angry about them being very misleading in how they presented the new league in terms of build enabling and not a nerf fest. I don't actually care about nerfs, but I do care about misleading or outright lying. I guess alternatively they really believed this patch was build enabling or not a nerf-fest, but that's not a great look for them either. What's that saying? Don't piss on my head and then tell me it is raining? For some reason the misdirection/lie/misrepresentation means much more to me than the actual nerfs. Thanks for all the fish!
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" Thank you for understanding. I care very much about challenge rewards having revolved my goals in this game around them. So the rules in which GGG had established for these challenge rewards are sacrosanct to me. That GGG will break the rule for a mode that's not intended to interfere with the main game? I think it's clear that GGG (Chris?) sees Ruthless as the real game and is building incentives and motivation to shift perception towards that new reality. I am not sure I want to ride along to this new future. It will convert your forum titles into decorative square badges that use the space next to your forum posts more economically so that you can show off an unlimited number of them at any one time. - GGG, 2018 (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3573673)
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Personally, I don't understand how MTX can be the core part of your motivation/decision in what to play, and what not to play. Maybe that's ignorant of me, but I just can't understand it. How can MTX be more 'important' than fun/gameplay? I guess a completist thinks getting everything IS the fun part...
I remember the old days, when HC and SC had different MTX rewards. I actually think that made sense. Sure, it makes sense to not have it different too, but... Nah, I can't really bring myself to care. That said; the "Ruthless being a side thing" argument? I can back that. We were told that, but they are making quite the effort to create some fuzz around it, with boss events, Exilecon tickets and whatnot. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Mar 31, 2023, 8:46:22 AM
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" Seems to be a reoccurring theme tbh. We get it, some things don't matter to you, don't interest you, or you don't agree with others when they share their thoughts. " Definitely applies here. Jerle clearly stated it was important to them personally, and you just dismiss it as beyond your understanding. Actually your understanding is totally irrelevant here. The TLDR of this upcoming patch is: GGG wasn't forthcoming with the planned nerfs (which makes no manifesto even more egregious), incentivising Ruthless, which is supposed to be a totally separate side project, and Ruthless's development creep into the scope of the game. The Ascendancy situation should concern everyone. Imo, and Im projecting a bit here because we don't have much info, people should be quite worried about how PoE2 will feel and function with the vibe I'm getting. They have to do a much better job at managing expectations, and messaging around Ruthless and balance changes. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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People get to 40/40 in a month on leagues and bail.
Having separate challenges and mtx/totems for ruthless is just ggg's way of keeping you fomos playing for 3/4 months. If you care that much about pixels only you and a handful of people will ever see maybe it's time you reconsider why you're playing PoE. Last edited by Hallsttattian#5425 on Mar 31, 2023, 9:36:04 AM
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I have the exact same feelings as you Jerle. I feel like they are adding these kind of things (the boss kill event too) to hopefully sway more people to play ruthless. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sucks either way. I don't want to play ruthless, but I like completing challenges, so now I feel like I must also play ruthless to do it. I'm not going to though, but they are trying to make me want to which I don't like.
I also loved when they stopped having different challenges for SC and HC. I used to only play HC and hated having to play SC just to get all the challenges done. Same thing is going to happen again now. I wish ruthless was never a thing. Last edited by CrazylikE#7023 on Mar 31, 2023, 11:10:52 AM
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" Someone responding to a post with a differing opinion, confusion, or lack of understanding isn't any more or less relevant than the OP. "I feel a certain way" is an observation and feedback "your feelings aren't rational" or "I prefer it the other way" is also an observation - feedback on the feedback. If you're going to say the latter is irrelevant than the former must be as well. |
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" That's absurd. Jerle's enjoyment of PoE has no bearing on whether or not anyone else understands why he enjoys it. Now someone can say, MTX doesn't motivate me, or whatever else, without minimizing, or being condescending to the other posters viewpoint. This shit happens to me all the time with Diablo topics here, and its so exhaustingly petty from an intellectual standpoint. I suppose we could go really big picture here, take your logic, and extrapolate this entire forum, and all its posts, are totally irrelevant. Maybe that is ultimately true, but it defeats the purpose of good faith discussions, which is the point of a fourm to begin with (presumably). "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Mar 31, 2023, 11:44:52 AM
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" I was actually going to do just that, but decided against it. Clearly GGG are going to do what they want to do. They've made it more than clear, thus none of this is relevant. BUT! you say, the forums exist for feedback! Well alright then, we got Jerle's feedback. Negative responses to that feedback are also feedback. Equally valid, equally relevant. And you telling someone its irrelevant seems to run quite counter to the 'good faith discussions' you say belong here. Phrazz also said "I remember the old days, when HC and SC had different MTX rewards. I actually think that made sense." That is feedback. So the OP is one petition point against GGGs decision, and Phrazz's post is a point against the OP (which is to say one petition point FOR GGGs decision, although not every rebuke or contradiction of an OP is necessarily a vote for the other side, in this case it seems clear that it is). Nothing irrelevant about any of it. I also think that a unique challenge deserves a unique reward. And furthermore that the unique reward is a net positive to the overall system, despite the protests, cons, and counterpoints. This particular unique reward isn't alluring enough to get me to chase it, but someday one might be, and I like that. |
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" Well my feedback to you is that your commentary on this is ridiculous on a fundamental level. Now that I've said that, does that bear any relevance on anything you post subsequently, or how you feel about your own posts? I would gather no. So where does that leave us? I will say it again, perhaps more clear here if there is confusion. Feedback / Opinion is fine, it's literally the entire point of the forum. Using your opinion to invalidate or minimize another's opinion on a personal level... its just ineffective, and borderline antagonistic. Do you actually believe Jerle's enjoyment of PoE, or opinion on this topic, is contingent on Phrazz or anyone's else's view or take on his personal preference? Again, disagreement on the topic is fine (mtx as a reward), but negative commentary on mtx as a source of personal enjoyment for a specific player is totally irrelevant. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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