8/8 Ruthless?

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6_din_49 wrote:

My money is on 8/8 will have the same rewards as 38/40, except the totem would be different. I really doubt they will create new armor sets for ruthless.

Chris did respond to this. The flag for the totem pole is different. Otherwise, the mtx is the same. Still, that creates a perverse incentive to play Ruthless which is against their current philosophy of league modes thus far.

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Jerle wrote:

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6_din_49 wrote:

My money is on 8/8 will have the same rewards as 38/40, except the totem would be different. I really doubt they will create new armor sets for ruthless.

Chris did respond to this. The flag for the totem pole is different. Otherwise, the mtx is the same. Still, that creates a perverse incentive to play Ruthless which is against their current philosophy of league modes thus far.

Don't forget about the return of Eternal Orbs, that's the real deal.

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6_din_49 wrote:

Don't forget about the return of Eternal Orbs, that's the real deal.

Personally, I think its ok for Eternal Orbs to be introduced into Ruthless since those orbs can never interact with items in the broader game.

On this point, *if* the Ruthless totem can *only* be used in Ruthless hideouts, then I guess I also have no issues with it.

What?

How on earth do "special mtx" or "different TOTEMS in HIDEOUT" give you a feel that you "must" play ruthless? It's optional and if you feel like it it's not GGG's problem

Even if yes, what's wrong with that?

In terms of MTX rewards i think they should slightly better MTXes to ruthless playerbase, because DUH ruthless is way more harder so it should be more rewarding in terms of challenge rewards

And it's not even subjective opinion, that's an objective truth

I mean if you can't do 10 acts in ruthless then you probably don't deserve to get anything from challenge rewards? no?

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Well it seems pretty awkward that different modes don’t have different challenge rewards.

And it doesn't have to be new mtx. It can be that totem thingy or special colour palette/shine/aura/halo on mtx making it more grandeur, splendid or sinister, intimidating.

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Shadowsrealms wrote:

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shadowthedead wrote:

What?

How on earth do "special mtx" or "different TOTEMS in HIDEOUT" give you a feel that you "must" play ruthless? It's optional and if you feel like it it's not GGG's problem

Same reason people follow the meta in virtually every game out there, despite it being optional and the player being free to play anything else.
People do not want to miss out on things and additionally playing something you know sucks compared to what is "meta" feels really bad, because you know youre kinda shooting yourself in the foot.

Well, i guess that's some life lessons to be learned
You can't win 'em all and you can't take all what you want

Shouldn't the logic be like this?

-Oh they are making some badass MTX rewards in ruthless, i want them! Then i need to try my best and perform better or i won't have a chance!

Instead it's like -

Oh they are making some badass MTX rewards in ruthless, i want them! But i don't want to put extra effort, give me them anyway or i'll scream and QQ!



What happened, where did we turn wrong?

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shadowthedead wrote:

Well, i guess that's some life lessons to be learned
You can't win 'em all and you can't take all what you want

Shouldn't the logic be like this?

-Oh they are making some badass MTX rewards in ruthless, i want them! Then i need to try my best and perform better or i won't have a chance!

Instead it's like -

Oh they are making some badass MTX rewards in ruthless, i want them! But i don't want to put extra effort, give me them anyway or i'll scream and QQ!



What happened, where did we turn wrong?

Read. Even if they want to make badass MTX rewards, it should start with HC (and this would be a change in philosophy) and not Ruthless.

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Jerle wrote:

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dupie wrote:

Just like HC and SC used to have different rewards because they are different in terms of difficulty,

If you know this then you should know why GGG themselves changed the system such that HC and SC both share the same challenge rewards today. They do not want people to have to choose HC and/or SC based on the league challenge rewards. They have said that even if HC is more difficult, it is the player's choice to do.

Rewarding Ruthless separately is a step back from this philosophy. And is especially more so given Ruthless isn't even considered a "main" alternative mode like HC.

It's still coming back to my question

If players want some "badass shiny pixels" - they accept the house rules, doesn't matter if the philosophy changed or not, it doesn't matter
It's their place - their rules
This only affect player's ego and entitlement.

If players think they can get what they want HOW they want - that's a welcome-to-reality thing right here

I mean it's common sense? no?
The harder the league - the better are challenge rewards
they..are...called..CHALLENGE rewards

Why would i get the same challenge reward by running SC 10 acts dying 1000 times while watching youtube, while the other guy goes gigasweatlord and runs through HC ruthless 10 acts dying 0 times?
There's no reason getting same rewards, other than feel of entitlement to anything, with no effort whatsoever.

I can see the problem for someone like you who work really hard to do every challenge possible, Ruthless is not fun, i tried for the first time ruthless with the gold event, and having 0 progression in map was a hard "no" for me.