well D4 was a dissapointment why delay league becuz of it?
" D4 is literally copying the same payment model as GGG with PoE. They are gonna pay their developers for new content through cosmetic microtransactions and most likely expansions every ~2 year. Diablo3 was abandoned because it couldn't generate any revenue. Even if Developers created new content, new players weren't gonna buy Diablo3 on Battlenet. Diablo immortal has P2W microtransactions because it's a mobile game. I can't state for a fact whether D4 will become P2W. But I'm certain, if D4 is successful and their microtransactions, battlepass et.c. do sell, they won't need P2W and will keep developing the game in the same fashion as with Wow. Since D4 starts from a clean slate my guess is they'll avoid monetary and design mistakes they made to Wow across the years aswell. Last edited by Deadandlivin#2745 on Mar 30, 2023, 10:58:13 AM
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" Which is what? Insanely successful over an entire decade and 28 seasons? Yeah tell me a studio or publisher wouldn't sign up for a D3 performance in a heartbeat. The actual copium, is PoE copium, and the alternative reality is wild here sometimes. Nobody said D4 expansions would be free, and why should it be? Ongoing monetization is a win for players and the developer. They get money, we get content, new classes, new bosses, etc... Their quarterly live service seasons will not have a cost, and D2, D2R, and D3 were not pay to win? This just seems like ranting to rant, and doesn't even make much sense. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" copium succesfull in 10 years didnt add a single new content out same story gonna be in diablo 4 there wont be any new content besides in expansions so have fun spamming same dungeon same world boss over and over just like in diablo 3 only rift spam nothing else Last edited by Deviant#8289 on Mar 30, 2023, 11:08:53 AM
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" Lol "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" " You did, conveniently not, answer my last post, so I'll try again. Which one of these statement, made by you, is correct? If D3 was so "insanely successful" throughout most of PoE's life, how come you are using "little competition" as an argument for PoE's success? Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Mar 30, 2023, 11:28:39 AM
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" Actually I must have just missed that post yesterday tbh, typically I do respond. Anyways both things can be true on scale no? I know we disagree on what "successful" means for D3 so there is no point in re-hashing that. Let's not go there, please. On the competitive front I dont think D3 was trying to compete with PoE or vice versa. D3 was never monetized that way, and live service was very light. In addition I don't think there was a direct correlation between PoE growing and whatever D3 was doing at the time (overall). That's why I said PoE left the door to D4 open which I do believe is more of a direct competitor. Maybe that turns out not to be true, but let's see how it plays out. What I was saying basically is that PoE never grew on scale to what the market was showing what was possible. Perhaps that was by design or choice, on GGG's end, but it was my take on it. PoE was, and is, superior in many respects to all the other arpgs on the market recently, but they didn't seem to get significnatly larger traction. Edit: have D4 pre-empt PoE2 was probably not ideal either in this context. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Mar 30, 2023, 11:41:54 AM
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" You sound like you're saying that if a game is successful then everyone should like it, but the reality is d4 will appeal to casuals while poe will appeal to hardcore gamers. Compare a disney flick designed for all audiences with a hard R rated horror movie. They may both be huge hits but the money will always come to the more accessible media. I am a fan of the poe game design while diablo 4 so far seems it will be more of diablo 3, just better looking. No one here is disputing the success of diablo 3, they just don't like it. Second-class poe gamer Last edited by pr13st#1040 on Mar 30, 2023, 11:49:21 AM
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" I think D4 preempting POE2 is good for POE2 in the scenario that D4 isnt good enough for people. I think D4 might get worse over time or better. On the road map is set items which is make things terrible again. Also on the road map is rune words which will be a good thing. But I dont see much in the way of real new content like POE does in terms of new items and skills. There is no real reason to do seasonal leagues other than leaderboard like D4 from what i see. I feel like personally, I will just play until i beat D4 and never touch it again. |
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" Certainly you can concede that casual and average PoE players exist, and there will be some D4 crossover because of that? They really just haven't had much choice up until now. Obviously "like" is purely subjective so little use in debating that. I've been round and round on that here too many times, especially on D3. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Mar 30, 2023, 12:04:44 PM
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" I guess we will just have to see. Typically being out first in the business world is superior, and D4 is going to have a number of months at to improve, and launch their seasonal model. PoE is going to suffer losses all the way up to when PoE2 comes out, no matter how you look at it. There is almost zero chance D4 gets worse over time with live service, and we don't even know what the scope will be seasonally. It seems reasonable to me that it will do that extremely well. Who knows maybe I have this totally wrong lol. Edit: also buying D4 for $70-100 fully expecting to play for a bit and never touch it again is pretty interesting. I'm sure that works out OK on the Blizz end... "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Mar 30, 2023, 12:11:05 PM
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