It's time for GGG to take back reigns of trade for the sake of the game

@Phrazz
What you're saying would make sense, IF we were paying by the hour. Gx3 monetizing model doesn't care if you play one hour or a thousand hours. If gameplay is shit, unrewarding and needlessly repetitive with extremely low drop rates to do anything SSF for the sole reason of getting more chances to try and milk you instead of making the game pleasant to play, the vast majority will just leave and won't pay a dime.

They alredy proved that they will cater to the wankers that play 16 hours a day with Ruthless. Why not cater for the people that are not living in their mothers basement, have to actually work for a living and just want to have some fun 1-2h/day with PoE too?

While i'm at it, that's also one of the main reasons why people play standard. 3 month cycle is too fast for people with actual lives outside the game. Myself included.

Oh, and before anyone claims that i want everything with no effort:

Those are just some of the things i crafted myself or acquired over the years that i won't bother to waste time to acquire again.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

If gameplay is shit, unrewarding and needlessly repetitive with extremely low drop rates to do anything SSF...

Good thing this isn't the case, then.

What I'm saying does make sense. You can disagree, which is fine. Do some rates need to improve? Sure, but nothing drastic. My biggest problem, is build balance/diversity, indirectly pushing you towards specific builds if you want to be efficient/powerful enough. Bad balance also makes certain builds WAY more dependent on hard-to-get/craft items, which I see as more of a balance issue (raising the floor of certain archetype) than I do a rarity issue.

But do I like the fact that some items are more or less unobtainable for 'most' players within the span of a league? Absolutely, it gives us goals. Something to 'always' work towards - and a VERY nice feeling when/if it happens. A moment you'd actually remember.

Leagues being too short? I can probably agree with that, even though I usually quit after 6-10 weeks - unless I love the league. But as several leagues have been delayed, we've more or less had 4 month leagues a few times now - and I don't think it has been so damn bad. A break from the game after you've finished a league isn't a bad thing.

I didn't know TFT existed before. Probably as 99% of other players. I think what is being said here is a "first world problem" because no matter what mirrors are out of reach for us mortals.

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baxsus wrote:

I didn't know TFT existed before. Probably as 99% of other players. I think what is being said here is a "first world problem" because no matter what mirrors are out of reach for us mortals.

It's a great discord, lets you like sell all your scarabs in 1 trade. Saves LOADS of times.

Downside that is being brought up is that you are feeding the RMT market by using it (potentially). It goes beyond the mirror store, the mirror store is just the front end expensive part of the discord.

A currency AH would invalidate much of what people use TFT for, but anybody with an honest look at it knows that it would be MUCH harder to replace the mirror aspect.

I just hope POE2 has good built in stuff so I don't need so many third party applications. Price checking / Trading / Discord / POB / loot filter / etc.

Hopefully it does, or I may end up sticking around D4 longer than anticipated.

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baxsus wrote:

I didn't know TFT existed before. Probably as 99% of other players. I think what is being said here is a "first world problem" because no matter what mirrors are out of reach for us mortals.

Not really cause pretty much everyone in trade league is affected by it in different ways. Even all the market manipulation thing on non mirror items is an issue.

@Phrazz
I'm forced to disagree because they are constantly skewed towards "If the best can do it easily, the noobs will probably do it too", which never was the case even when Harvest was around in full effect. If you had the knowledge to make a 6xT1 item with Harvest, you probably can do it now too, you just won't because instead of 1 mirror, it now needs 10 mirrors, 100 mirrors in some cases.

The game is alredy beatable (main story, Maven, Elder, Sirus), literally, without using any league mechanic for crafting. I've done the main story with a 5 link, base game uniques and no fancy shit rares. I can't understand any argument that the game must be a shore when everything beyond that is for fun, and i simply don't see fun in the unreachable just for the sake of being unreachable.

Regardless, the point of making a game is for the devs to profit. Alredy bought 2 packs, which is more than some people that complain without spending a cent. I understand it's their game. I won't support it ever again, but i understand.

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kevin51287 wrote:

Downside that is being brought up is that you are feeding the RMT market by using it (potentially). It goes beyond the mirror store, the mirror store is just the front end expensive part of the discord.

You can't even discuss it freely because they are so chill, discussing even in here is cause for ban.

Never scammed anyone and was ascended. Never used it again since Ritual so poteto potato. Tyrranical clowns. Hell, i've said more shit to Gx3 and the devs and most i got was probation. Even sure at least one mod has nightmares with me for some of the things i've said.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

@Phrazz
What you're saying would make sense, IF we were paying by the hour. Gx3 monetizing model doesn't care if you play one hour or a thousand hours. If gameplay is shit, unrewarding and needlessly repetitive with extremely low drop rates to do anything SSF for the sole reason of getting more chances to try and milk you instead of making the game pleasant to play, the vast majority will just leave and won't pay a dime.

They alredy proved that they will cater to the wankers that play 16 hours a day with Ruthless. Why not cater for the people that are not living in their mothers basement, have to actually work for a living and just want to have some fun 1-2h/day with PoE too?

While i'm at it, that's also one of the main reasons why people play standard. 3 month cycle is too fast for people with actual lives outside the game. Myself included.

Oh, and before anyone claims that i want everything with no effort:

Those are just some of the things i crafted myself or acquired over the years that i won't bother to waste time to acquire again.

I didn't know there was a helm enchant to +1 number of Bladestorms, I like it!

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

@Phrazz
I'm forced to disagree because they are constantly skewed towards "If the best can do it easily, the noobs will probably do it too", which never was the case even when Harvest was around in full effect. If you had the knowledge to make a 6xT1 item with Harvest, you probably can do it now too, you just won't because instead of 1 mirror, it now needs 10 mirrors, 100 mirrors in some cases.

The game is alredy beatable (main story, Maven, Elder, Sirus), literally, without using any league mechanic for crafting. I've done the main story with a 5 link, base game uniques and no fancy shit rares. I can't understand any argument that the game must be a shore when everything beyond that is for fun, and i simply don't see fun in the unreachable just for the sake of being unreachable.

Regardless, the point of making a game is for the devs to profit. Alredy bought 2 packs, which is more than some people that complain without spending a cent. I understand it's their game. I won't support it ever again, but i understand.

Very few builds can beat the game on a 5 link with in the way you describe. How long ago did you do that and what build? Nearly any build that can do that has been nerfed or will be. Boneshatter, can do it on a 4 link, but it's the only build I know of that can without crazy crafting and good RNG. Always drives me crazy when some streamer says "I can do this on a zero or 2 link... OP skill plz nerf" and then you see their gear and it's mirrors worth.

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Valkaneer wrote:

Very few builds can beat the game on a 5 link with in the way you describe. How long ago did you do that and what build? Nearly any build that can do that has been nerfed or will be. Boneshatter, can do it on a 4 link, but it's the only build I know of that can without crazy crafting and good RNG. Always drives me crazy when some streamer says "I can do this on a zero or 2 link... OP skill plz nerf" and then you see their gear and it's mirrors worth.

Naturally, ubers were not included since they are technically not part of the "main story". That being said, i still had to use current passive tree and ascendancy, but that was about it. I used exalts for 3 multicraft on rings and weapon that i thought necessary, everything else was alt regal spam. Did took me about 4-5ex worth of alts to craft everything. I used the build i have the most knowledge about and practice with. I could've used some ground rares which would've lessened the ex cost, but i wanted to make everything to see how much it would actually cost with VisionTM method.

It did took a reasonable amount of time to put everything together, more than a few tries on U.Elder because he's a dick, and i admit it wasn't deathless, but it got the job done. It was in standard, so i don't remember which league was exactly, but it was before the trade fuckening.

Died lv86 at the Ziz Gauntlet with way worse gear to some shitty AN mod, but it happens.

https://pastebin.com/YHBtqMfK I had the PoB laying around.