poe is still the most p2w game ive ever played

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yamface wrote:
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Pashid wrote:
I think that's up to everyone to decide.


a full skin set for all of your armor and weapon in poe is over $100
a legendary skin in league is $15

the league skin is higher quality, the poe skin adds more fps drops to your mapping experience

selling skins is a near 100% profit margin. you pay the team that designed and created the skins, you pay a minimal amount to market the skins on their own website, every other skin afterwards is a copy + paste to whoever buys them. its a money printer. yet theyre priced so that they wont ever sell except for the mediocre skin sets that come with supporter packs.


Is the skin in league of legends fully customizable? Can you swamp around different parts to create your own look of your desire? Not really
And you get a full set for less than 100 bucks, especially during the sale.
But hey someone without a single support pack can't really judge that or have the experience with that at all.

Both skins are equal in the quality and look pretty much the same in detail.
Still quite a comparison to compare a moba with a arpg, both build on a different engine and both having their own limitations. But even with all of that both games look the same in quality.


The fps drop seems to be an issue on your end and not the mtx itself, granted you even experience some cause I highly doubt that you use many mtx at all.

Some cause lags especially skills like spark or kb, but not all of them.
Only a small amount actually causes huge fps drops, but I suppose you just caught some weird shit from a different topic without any experience at all, just to turn your hate onto the game cause the "game is p2w" move didn't worked.

Cause I can map just fine even with 2 large pets following me around and a big cluster of mtx on my spells without any fps drops, 1440p even on a old ass nvidia 2070 gpu.
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Feb 13, 2023, 8:52:40 PM
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Pashid wrote:
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yamface wrote:
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Pashid wrote:
I think that's up to everyone to decide.


a full skin set for all of your armor and weapon in poe is over $100
a legendary skin in league is $15

the league skin is higher quality, the poe skin adds more fps drops to your mapping experience

selling skins is a near 100% profit margin. you pay the team that designed and created the skins, you pay a minimal amount to market the skins on their own website, every other skin afterwards is a copy + paste to whoever buys them. its a money printer. yet theyre priced so that they wont ever sell except for the mediocre skin sets that come with supporter packs.


Is the skin in league of legends fully customizable? Can you swamp around different parts to create your own look of your desire? Not really
And you get a full set for less than 100 bucks, especially during the sale.

They are both equal in the quality, and the fps drop seems to be an issue with your pc setup but not the skin. Cause I can map just fine even with 2 large pets following me around and a big cluster of mtx on my spells.


the first armor set on the shop scrolling down is 840 coins so about $84, its already on sale. and thats without the weapon. but hey at least i can "customize" the skins by swapping out random parts which btw will costs even more hundreds of dollars to get a good selection to begin with.

dude just admit it. the skins are overpriced af. also im running with a 5900x and a 3080, the fact that these skins drops fps noticably is laughable. i havent played any other game where the skins are this overpriced. and fyi,the quality is much lower than a league skin. legendary league skins come with completely different skill animations and voice overs.

they can AT LEAST drop the prices of older skins but that would make too much sense. gotta charge the same amount for that 10 year old shitty skin that is barely an upgrade visually to the default hubris circlet's hanging donger.
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yamface wrote:

dude just admit it. the skins are overpriced af. also im running with a 5900x and a 3080, the fact that these skins drops fps noticably is laughable. i havent played any other game where the skins are this overpriced. and fyi,the quality is much lower than a league skin. legendary league skins come with completely different skill animations and voice overs. Something you are for sure used to from other games. like LA.
they can AT LEAST drop the prices of older skins but that would make too much sense. gotta charge the same amount for that 10 year old shitty skin that is barely an upgrade visually to the default hubris circlet's hanging donger.


Sorry I don't work the way you want and I don't agree with you in any term.
I get the feel that you're just another of these cheap f2p trolls, all moody and upset because a game doesn't cater your needs of instant gratification and free stuff all over the place.

Doesn't feel like you played a lot of games either cause there are some games with actual overpriced prices.

League of legends skins look the same in quality as PoE skins but hey even a half blind person can tell you the same. I don't need your advise for that so thanks anyways.
But yea how about you scroll down into the shop, there are plenty of skin sets below the value. But you can figure that out on your own. You could even buy a support pack for 50 bucks if you happen to like the look and end up with enough points to buy the rest stuff like a weapon ect. But so much about 100 bucks for a whole skin.

But yea fyi you only drop fps with too many particles or entities in this game. Something you encounter with and without any mtx equipped.

I can run 100-144 just fine with my mtx, and the 100 only happen during the amount of particles of my skill and the larger amount of enemies. but nice try there to blame mtx for that.

But I mean in all honesty, go play LoL if you feel like the game threads you in a better "fair" way. Much better than starting a "game is so p2w topic" followed by some weird takes of overpriced mtx prices cause your p2w take didn't worked out well.

That being said, hold onto your cockles and stay save exile!
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Feb 13, 2023, 9:18:33 PM
ok so your rebuttal is to buy a cheaper armor set, well lets see. i see below the first set choice.. the heritage armor set for $42. wow nice deal except it looks worse than default armor in most other games

imagine paying $42 for this. oh, also have to include the weapon skin too somewhere. they seem to be about $20 average. and then a skill skin to complete the character right? so another $15. and then the back attachment which is another $20. surely im not missing anything too important. footprints and aura i can leave out because we're already at $97 for a shitty quality skin set.

meanwhile the league skin includes literally all of that plus a unique voice over for 1/9 the cost hello

just closing this argument pointing out that the second you tried to pin me as a f2p cheapskate instantly discredits everything you say because it means you didnt even read the op, you more or less came in here to whiteknight for the sake of it lol
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yamface wrote:
ok so your rebuttal is to buy a cheaper armor set, well lets see. i see below the first set choice.. the heritage armor set for $42. wow nice deal except it looks worse than default armor in most other games

imagine paying $42 for this. oh, also have to include the weapon skin too somewhere. they seem to be about $20 average. and then a skill skin to complete the character right? so another $15. and then the back attachment which is another $20. surely im not missing anything too important. footprints and aura i can leave out because we're already at $97 for a shitty quality skin set.

meanwhile the league skin includes literally all of that plus a unique voice over for 1/9 the cost hello

just closing this argument pointing out that the second you tried to pin me as a f2p cheapskate instantly discredits everything you say because it means you didnt even read the op, you more or less came in here to whiteknight for the sake of it lol


strange, the winter dragon armor pack is at 315 with a high discount. So are the others during special discounts. But hey you not liking a skin doesn't mean it is bad, or others don't find any interest in it. But I mean I could pull the same card as you and say that the look of the childish lol skins disgust me. that works just well both ways, not only your way :)

I mean you are the one who started the whole "p2w" story and moved on to the prices and quality while nobody else gives a single f about it. Sounds clearly like a you problem in this case.
But I guess you simply lack the experience of other games to define bad skins, overpriced items and moreso the definition of "p2w"

Nobody would buy the stuff if it was so overpriced as you say. The game is alive since years so it's clearly a clean proof of that. Anyhow you do you, I'm tired of your poor arguments. If you hate it so much play something else and get your instant gratification over there. Poe seems to be the wrong place for you for sure. Or just doesn't fit your needs in different ways.
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Feb 13, 2023, 9:40:13 PM
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yamface wrote:
before people tell me ive never played a real p2w game before


I figured since you edited my post I would return the favor. Gaslighting sucks dude, don't do it.
Last edited by MrWonderful99#4612 on Feb 13, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
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Pashid wrote:
strange, the winter dragon armor pack is at 315 with a high discount. So are the others during special discounts. But hey you not liking a skin doesn't mean it is bad, or others don't find any interest in it. But I mean I could pull the same card as you and say that the look of the childish lol skins disgust me. that works just well both ways, not only your way :)


i have to say, it really hurt watching you desperately compare the absolute shittiest of skin sets to the best of the league skins and still fail. cutting $10 from the $97 set i was looking at is such an embarrassing way to convince anybody that these skins are reasonably priced. that wasnt even including footprints or auras too. so in the end, even the rubbish cheap skin sets are still over $100.

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Pashid wrote:
Nobody would buy the stuff if it was so overpriced as you say


youre absolutely right! which is why when chris says most of their sales comes from support packs and stash tabs, it means hardly anyone is buying anything else. so the skin set you told me to look at. nobody is really buying those :)

this is classic r/selfawarewolves right here
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yamface wrote:

i have to say, it really hurt watching you desperately compare the absolute shittiest of skin sets to the best of the league skins and still fail.

You try to desperately force your opinion on others. Not everyone follows the same preferences of skins and comes up with different lickings. Like I've said I personally find league skins ugly and childish, you dislike PoE skins, good that diversity of different preferences is a thing in humanity. But well after all there's no need to lower any price for a poor f2p player like you cause you dislike the skins anyways. No point to cater your needs at this rate :)


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youre absolutely right! which is why when chris says most of their sales comes from support packs and stash tabs, it means hardly anyone is buying anything else. so the skin set you told me to look at. nobody is really buying those :)


The word "most" is not the definition of all sales. Seems like you also lack the knowledge of the meaning of certain words.
But hey you see plenty of the "so bad" sets all around ingame, weird weird man.

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yamface wrote:

this is classic r/selfawarewolves right here


By this you mean your topic and the entire pw2 and mtx discussion you've started, I agree with that for once.
Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun.
Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Feb 13, 2023, 11:07:19 PM
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Pashid wrote:
The word "most" is not the definition of all sales. Seems like you also lack the knowledge of the meaning of certain words.


a product that sells 0 copies and a product that sells few copies is all the same. not to mention, you again only see half the picture. the original point i made of skins was to push it to be the main selling product and have key stash tabs be baseline but ig you were too angry in the heat of the moment to remember such a basic detail.

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Pashid wrote:
But hey you see plenty of the "so bad" sets all around ingame, weird weird man.


anecdote. i think as long as you throw in a strawman somewhere in your post, you mightve checked off every sign of bad debating skills.
Define "win" in a game like PoE I'm genuinely curious.

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