poe is still the most p2w game ive ever played

I think to say "poe is still the most p2w game ive ever played" isnt quite fair, because you dont really get a big benefit after spending your first 50-100 Euros/Dollars on Stashtabs. And you also just need to buy them once, is not like you need to buy them every new league.

In the end you spend the amount that you would pay for a full price AAA Title.

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Jonte_84 wrote:

Define "win" in a game like PoE I'm genuinely curious.

Usually when the topic of whether it's paid to win comes up, trade always comes up due to the premium tabs (I think "trade/wealth PVP" is a silly thing so obviously that doesn't matter to me). I personally see the stash tabs as QoL that they are very aggressive about making as mandatory as possible without actually being as such.

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V4ldaran wrote:

In the end you spend the amount that you would pay for a full price AAA Title.

Surely you are not making the point that a few stash tabs, or one mtx armor set, is the comparable equivalent of purchasing... I dont know... let's say Elden Ring?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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V4ldaran wrote:

In the end you spend the amount that you would pay for a full price AAA Title.

Surely you are not making the point that a few stash tabs, or one mtx armor set, is the comparable equivalent of purchasing... I dont know... let's say Elden Ring?

I think this is exactly what he´s trying to say, and I would fully agree. Same amount of money to unlock full access to all parts of a game.

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Vennto wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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V4ldaran wrote:

In the end you spend the amount that you would pay for a full price AAA Title.

Surely you are not making the point that a few stash tabs, or one mtx armor set, is the comparable equivalent of purchasing... I dont know... let's say Elden Ring?

I think this is exactly what he´s trying to say, and I would fully agree. Same amount of money to unlock full access to all parts of a game.

Lol ok that's fine, I just wanted to know what I was dealing with in this context. We can agree to disagree on equivalence if so.

I think there is a massive difference between an mtx armor set, or stash tabs, and a similar price point on the Game of the Year, but hey, u guys live your best PoE life.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I think there is a massive difference between an mtx armor set, or stash tabs, and a similar price point on the Game of the Year, but hey, u guys live your best PoE life.

It's not about the value of the MTX armor, it's about the value of the game. I will always measure the value of a game based on the amount of fun it gives me - and there are very few games that come close to PoE in my book in that regard. A F2P game lets you decide what the game is worth to you, and how much you're willing to pay for your entertainment/fun - and the way you pay, is through MTX.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I think there is a massive difference between an mtx armor set, or stash tabs, and a similar price point on the Game of the Year, but hey, u guys live your best PoE life.

It's not about the value of the MTX armor, it's about the value of the game. I will always measure the value of a game based on the amount of fun it gives me - and there are very few games that come close to PoE in my book in that regard. A F2P game lets you decide what the game is worth to you, and how much you're willing to pay for your entertainment/fun - and the way you pay, is through MTX.

Sure, I'm with you to a point. To try and honestly debate the "value" of four quad tabs vs. a full priced AAA (whatever game you like) is I think, a wildly minority opinon.

Now perhaps there are a handful of people who literally do not play, or purchase, another single game on PC or console platforms besides PoE. So in those rare, barely believable cases, I will concede my point. The value is there for them.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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V4ldaran wrote:

In the end you spend the amount that you would pay for a full price AAA Title.

Surely you are not making the point that a few stash tabs, or one mtx armor set, is the comparable equivalent of purchasing... I dont know... let's say Elden Ring?

I would say the mtx is more valuable for many people in this case.
PoE hooks up many people for several thousand of hours over the past years and leagues. They get to use their stuff quite for a long while.
While a triple A rated game offers what these days? Probably about less than 200h of playtime before you finished up with everything, or get forced to buy another full paid dlc for a already 60-70 bucks game.

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Now perhaps there are a handful of people who literally do not play, or purchase, another single game on PC or console platforms besides PoE. So in those rare, barely believable cases, I will concede my point. The value is there for them.

Is it really so barely believable? I mean, for someone who always paints himself as looking at facts it's fairly obvious why this is not far-fetched at all in the case of PoE:

1. It's arguably one of the most complex games in the genre, offering tons of replayability, difficulty to overcome and customization.
2. Just because people play PoE doesn't need to mean they don't play other games, but it can mean they play other F2P-games like Dota, LoL etc, meaning they also dont purchase other games.
3. The value is determined by spent hours, do you honestly believe someone no-lifing pc games cannot play other games and still feeling his time well spent with hours and hours of PoE-content while also taking on other games sometimes?

I mean, for me thats a lot of mental gymnastics here.

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Vennto wrote:

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Now perhaps there are a handful of people who literally do not play, or purchase, another single game on PC or console platforms besides PoE. So in those rare, barely believable cases, I will concede my point. The value is there for them.

Is it really so barely believable? I mean, for someone who always paints himself as looking at facts it's fairly obvious why this is not far-fetched at all in the case of PoE:

1. It's arguably one of the most complex games in the genre, offering tons of replayability, difficulty to overcome and customization.
2. Just because people play PoE doesn't need to mean they don't play other games, but it can mean they play other F2P-games like Dota, LoL etc, meaning they also dont purchase other games.
3. The value is determined by spent hours, do you honestly believe someone no-lifing pc games cannot play other games and still feeling his time well spent with hours and hours of PoE-content while also taking on other games sometimes?

I mean, for me thats a lot of mental gymnastics here.

So let me understand this concept, or where you are coming from, in a logical perspective.

You are saying this isn't far fetched, and entirely concieveable, that there are a decent amount of gamers out there, that only play PoE, and consequently only find value in PoE related items. In addition you are also willing to say some of those people perhaps might play other F2P games, but won't pay anything towards them, because apparently their time is less valuable than the value PoE stash tabs or MTX offer? (in terms of moneitization)

And that's not mental gymnastics?

I'm willing to concede, again as I said, there might be extreme fringe cases, but I'm certainly not convinced that there are many that would fall into this PoE-Centric behavior where nothing else holds value. I don't have to like it or agree with it, and I'm guessing that sure it exists in the abstract, but not to the degree you seem to be alluding to.

Or is their some weird, arbitrary, qualifier time wise you want to add? Because if there is a measurable amount of folks out there that have only experienced PoE in the last 10 years (or however long their gaming history is) gaming wise, or nothing else holds "value" to them, that's... well that's something for sure. Something I ain't buying, at all.