For the love of god can we have a in game auction system?

Just to add to the above, one prime example of them not bending was the desync issue. For years people spammed the forum and said to just let things be client side and screw the concerns about abuse that comes with that. My own brother made the same argument to me. GGG never flinched on it even though it cost them in players -- I would bet my account on that (safe bet because I know people who left because of desync). They eventually found a solution that met their need and resolved the desync issue for a large portion of the player base. They didn't bend and the game is better off for it in my opinion.

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Nubatron wrote:

Just to add to the above, one prime example of them not bending was the desync issue. For years people spammed the forum and said to just let things be client side and screw the abuse that comes with that. My own brother made the same argument to me. GGG never flinched on it even though it cost them in players -- I would bet my account on that (safe bet because I know people who left because of desync). They eventually found a solution that met their need and resolved the desync issue for a large portion of the player base. They didn't bend and the game is better off for it in my opinion.

True but they had complete ownership at that time. I'm certain they have financial expectations from Tencent to at least some degree, not to mention the pressure CW has now on staffing and peoples lives to a far greater extent than prior.

I don't think it would be so easy to lay-off 30% or more of the staff because you had specific ideas about the monetized players and a niche customer base.

Maybe I'm wrong and CW gives zero fucks, but I doubt it.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

Just to add to the above, one prime example of them not bending was the desync issue. For years people spammed the forum and said to just let things be client side and screw the abuse that comes with that. My own brother made the same argument to me. GGG never flinched on it even though it cost them in players -- I would bet my account on that (safe bet because I know people who left because of desync). They eventually found a solution that met their need and resolved the desync issue for a large portion of the player base. They didn't bend and the game is better off for it in my opinion.

True but they had complete ownership at that time. I'm certain they have financial expectations from Tencent to at least some degree, not to mention the pressure CW has now on staffing and peoples lives to a far greater extent than prior.

I don't think it would be so easy to lay-off 30% or more of the staff because you had specific ideas about the monetized players and a niche customer base.

Maybe I'm wrong and CW gives zero fucks, but I doubt it.

I'm sure there is pressure from Tencent to generate revenue, but we don't know what the expectations are there. That's why I made the point about distress in the previous post. There would be unquestionable signs if that were the case. Maybe some people think they've seen something, but mostly all I've seen is manufactured drama on the forums and reddit on this topic. Nothing from GGG seems to support any assertions of stress.

Purely speculative of course. They could be getting pressure and sending a big middle finger to ownership; but I doubt it.

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Nubatron wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

Just to add to the above, one prime example of them not bending was the desync issue. For years people spammed the forum and said to just let things be client side and screw the abuse that comes with that. My own brother made the same argument to me. GGG never flinched on it even though it cost them in players -- I would bet my account on that (safe bet because I know people who left because of desync). They eventually found a solution that met their need and resolved the desync issue for a large portion of the player base. They didn't bend and the game is better off for it in my opinion.

True but they had complete ownership at that time. I'm certain they have financial expectations from Tencent to at least some degree, not to mention the pressure CW has now on staffing and peoples lives to a far greater extent than prior.

I don't think it would be so easy to lay-off 30% or more of the staff because you had specific ideas about the monetized players and a niche customer base.

Maybe I'm wrong and CW gives zero fucks, but I doubt it.

I'm sure there is pressure from Tencent to generate revenue, but we don't know what the expectations are there. That's why I made the point about distress in the previous post. There would be unquestionable signs if that were the case. Maybe some people think they've seen something, but mostly all I've seen is manufactured drama on the forums and reddit on this topic. Nothing from GGG seems to support any assertions of stress.

Purely speculative of course. They could be getting pressure and sending a big middle finger to ownership; but I doubt it.

Yeah mostly agree.

I think Tencent will be hands-off until PoE2, even if D4 smashes them for 6 months or so. But they cant be losing millions of dollars for 12 months straight, I cant imagine that would go over well.

Then again, if I slide my Tinfoil hat on, perhaps Tencent would prefer a world realm struggle and push CW out to have a more highly monetized version similar to the Chinese Realm. ;)

I just want a system where to buy an item, I don't have to whisper a dozen different people before one even responds. Same for selling currency also.

The transactional part is the waste of time, which needs to be addressed.

After playing on and off since 2013 for various reasons i still dont get why there isnt ANY other solution other than using 3rd party tools for a lot of elements of the game. Having to play with a second monitor to play a game is just bad design.

Yes now the MTX-whales come to defend GGG for their objectivly inferior solution with stuff like "YoU CAn ClEAr THe gamE SsF". Yea you could if you have time to play 8 hours a day but thats not what the average player can do/ want to do.

Just let me put a NPC into my hideout with 1 Tab which has a search function and let asynchronous trade happen. I dont want to leave maps all the time for trade and i dont want to spam whisper/ use external tools outside of the game to buy. Hell limit the space of said suggested NPC so bulk flipping of items wont be so easy and sell MTX for 500$ to make it look cool to make the whales happy. Id be playing a lot more if i could come home from work and just check my NPC´s inventory for stuff that sold instead of interrupting my actual time to play all the time to make a Trade.

And yea i know it wont prevent botters or no-life flippers from exploiting the economy with alt accounts but that is happening right now anyways. Hell id even pay in the store for that feature and i assume a small price could set the entry higher for bot curreny-flippers.

Dont get my wrong i love the game (expept for the trading, bullshit one-shots, clutter and balancing around no-lifers that play 16h a day. EDIT: the god forsaken Acts i have to slog through for the 1000th time to actually play the game i like) but the neccesary use of third party tool to play your game just lowers the quality massively.
Sorry mistakes in my english falls i made some, isnt my first language and i usually dont post.

Zoomer with their first world problems these days, quite embarrassing

They could always demonstrate how correct their Trade Manifesto is by creating an Auction House League and prove how bad it is over a 3 month League.

Make the AH a Q-Bids style auction. No instant buyouts, every bid extends the auction by 5 minutes to fix the last second sniper problem.

Auctioner pays a few orbs (depending on the item) to post their stuff.

Could be made to work if one put a little thought into it.

Better yet, disable trading and eliminate Gold Seller Spam for a League.

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Next league should be "Rain of Items" League. I'd like to see what happens if stuff actually dropped for average users and what that would do for the games popularity.

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Then they could do a Casino League. Mobs don't drop items, they drop tokens.

You take the tokens to the Casino and put them into a device that generates loot, but you can specify inputs, like, Str Armour -> Boots and pull the lever and see what pops out. Deterministic RNG crafting.

Use more tokens to generate higher quality stuff.

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RockGod wrote:

They could always demonstrate how correct their Trade Manifesto is by creating an Auction House League and prove how bad it is over a 3 month League.

Make the AH a Q-Bids style auction. No instant buyouts, every bid extends the auction by 5 minutes to fix the last second sniper problem.

Auctioner pays a few orbs (depending on the item) to post their stuff.

Could be made to work if one put a little thought into it.

Better yet, disable trading and eliminate Gold Seller Spam for a League.

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Next league should be "Rain of Items" League. I'd like to see what happens if stuff actually dropped for average users and what that would do for the games popularity.

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Then they could do a Casino League. Mobs don't drop items, they drop tokens.

You take the tokens to the Casino and put them into a device that generates loot, but you can specify inputs, like, Str Armour -> Boots and pull the lever and see what pops out. Deterministic RNG crafting.

Use more tokens to generate higher quality stuff.

Have you noticed how this community handles having something then losing it? It's embarrassing. But it's also a good lesson on why GGG can never give something temporarily.

No matter how bad it is, the people who want the AH will say it's fine to keep their foot in the door and then throw a monumental tantrum when it is inevitably taken away. It's a lose/lose situation for GGG.

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RockGod wrote:

Next league should be "Rain of Items" League. I'd like to see what happens if stuff actually dropped for average users and what that would do for the games popularity.

Then they could do a Casino League. Mobs don't drop items, they drop tokens.

You take the tokens to the Casino and put them into a device that generates loot, but you can specify inputs, like, Str Armour -> Boots and pull the lever and see what pops out. Deterministic RNG crafting.

Use more tokens to generate higher quality stuff.

First one already exists in the base game since leagues.
Last league had a lot of that but everyone hated the evil loot goblins that much.


Your casino league already exists in multiple ways, including the current league. Too bad you don't notice it as a standard player.