There are no builds in PoE. Everything is just exploiting, abusing, and gimmicks

Mathil is a professional gamer and perhaps THE best player for creative gimmicky builds?

Also, you wonder why his builds never become meta? He ignores all defenses and just relies on having done the encounters hundreds or thousands of times before.

Using a streamer who plays the game as his job (he is in the top 200 streamer and made about $200k a year) to justify game balance is like using Yao Ming to prove the average human is 7'6" (or 229 cm).

It also proves you can't even use an average streamer (Ziz and Quin both play 100% meta builds) to make your case.

I can't think of a better agreement with the OP than having to use mathil as an example to make a counterpoint.

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To be clear, Im not saying trash game, or that this is even a negative.

Its just ridiculous to have an argument that gimmick builds are (1) not the meta, (2) not needed to progress, (3) non-meta builds are doing just as good, (4) the game is remotely, in any sense of the word, in the furthest possible exaggeration, friendly to new players making a build that successfully tackles most endgame content (not including ubers because that bar is too high).

If multiple builds could do late endgame and on top of that those builds would exist over more than 2 leagues, the game would be boring cause the good stuff wouldn't drop that often to keep it rare and pricy.

Do people really don't understand the difference between single player games (or mp games with account bound items) and true multiplayer games?

I put over 2000 hours in since 3.17 and It has gone steady downhill since I started playing not sure what it was like before then. Sentinel turned out amazing after a absolutely horrendous start, thr league mechanic itself was not good but super rewarding I quite liked sentinel league since then complete POOP.

I may come back next league if they shake things up majorly, doubt that will happen though. See what poe 2 brings , sadly with tencent involved not looking good. Also I feel bad buying supporter packa when I know money goes straight to China, doubt u will ever spend another dime and I mean should any of us ? Why support China the small time New Zealand developer is long gone .

That said still a great game but in its current state I'm done dumping hours upon hours into this game its a waste if my time I have a job and a kid I am not a streaming with 18 hours a day to play.

Make melee great!!!!!!

melee is always playable. choose a melee build(ninja build is a good choice), and spend some time on it, i think you will find many funny points.

learn and earn and loop, have fun in the process. i think this is why poe is funny.

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trixxar wrote:

Mathil is a professional gamer and perhaps THE best player for creative gimmicky builds?

he just makes builds, he picks a skill, virtually any skill, decides how hes gonna scale the damage, just grabs some damage and life then beats the game with it.


you said you CANT do that, and he does it ever day and basically never fails. i use him as an example because we can all see him do it. im fairly sure i can pick almost any skill in the game, grab some damage, life, defence and have a viable build. nugi can do it, ziz can do it, loads of people can do it its not even hard, people who arnt even good players can do it. all it takes is to know how to make basic viable characters.


your statement was just factually incorrect.


all this other stuff you are now bringing up, gimmick builds meta, ventriloquising the entire population of new players etc... whatever, its nothing to do with what i responded to. i dont even know whats meta, i havent bothered paying attention to what is meta for years and years and years because its completely irrelevant. i just pick any skill that interests me and make a build for it on the spot, and its always viable.

Seriously, using one single example of a guy who play the game literally as a job is not a good way to drive a point...

Because just because its possible to do something, that dont translate as its reasonable to think its reasonable to do it. So what if one guy can make any skill work? Speed runners can clear games like battletoads deathless, that dont mean the game is not retarded hard or good designed. Unreasonable thing is still unresonable, even if a single digits amounts of gifted guys with time to spare can do it

Poe currently sits on a kind of difficulty that is idiotic because it gives too many choices with clear-cut wrong awnswers. You have vast freedom, but the games corrales heavily in certain directions, like a very rail-roading dungeon master

And nope, its not true that having too many right awnswers HAVE to translate into a easy game where everything works: Dark souls is considered a awesome example of a hard game exactly because its hard, but accomplishes exactly the opposite: There are tons of possible choices, some are more right than others, but ultimetly, you never run into a situation where adaptations like changing how you aproach the encounters or how agressive you are in the fight dont solve the problem, you never run into a brick wall because you missbuild your character no matter how bad you mess up, and the awnswer to any given problem never boils down to "grind more" or "dont pick this choice"
Granted, different type of game, but really, poe currently railroad us in a eye-rolling way, it dont need to be the ideal "no wrong choices", but the amount of "wrong" vs "right" choices is just terrible atm

Reading this thread makes me wonder if people actually know how meta builds come to be. GGG doesn't ordain them as meta with a ceremony or anything. Meta builds are not different from non-meta builds in that someone spent some time to figure one out. The only differences really are that that someone has good building foundational knowledge along with the reach of a streamer to make such build known to a wide audience. This is literally just a good build that a lot of people now know about. It doesn't even mean these are the absolute best or strongest builds possible. People who create meta builds just have a lot of indepth knowledge. They don't have a monopoly on good ideas. The problem is just people are too lazy to try to do anything for themselves and have to be spoonfed, then complain about that.

If you feel you HAVE TO use a meta build, it usually means you don't know how to build a character right and can't bother to learn. If that's the case, yes you have to use a meta build or you will get slaughtered.

If you bother at all to learn the basics of what makes a good character, there is no need to play meta.

Calling people lazy because they don't choose to play video games just so they can spend ... what, 10 hours minimum, in third party tools and spreadsheets, on top of hundreds of hours of gameplay, crafting, trading to know what to look for?

I disagree with your premise and assessment, and do not believe this type of language or name calling really furthers discussion.

This game is meant to be played by streamers...
or by the staff themselves once everybody quit.

So, a few days before this league started I saw someone play Raiden III, you know, the one with the toothpaste laser. And so it got me thinking - "Is there's anything that looks as wacky in PoE? Ok, how about scorching ray, that looks like a windshield wiper, let's grab two balefires, one for totems and one for selfcast so I can have more wipers on screen, maybe 6L firestorm on unleash just because I like it and I don't mind pressing a lot of buttons, get some cheapo gear..."

And here we are, day 30-something, it works well enough and I'm still amused by it, I'd be even more amused if the chest finally linked but that's all part of the fun. Pretty much the only thing worth anything on the character is the chest and jewels, the rest is very basic and some things were found on the ground. Can't remember using any exploits or gimmicks, and if you ask poenjinja, balefire and scorching ray statistically don't exist in the game.