There are no builds in PoE. Everything is just exploiting, abusing, and gimmicks

Definitely need a build guide for this game, and not really in a good way

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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trixxar wrote:

Mathil is a professional gamer and perhaps THE best player for creative gimmicky builds?

he just makes builds, he picks a skill, virtually any skill, decides how hes gonna scale the damage, just grabs some damage and life then beats the game with it.

guys Michael Jordan can play basketball in high heels and with one arm tied behind his back ... if he can do it you can too, its not that hard.

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Khallis wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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trixxar wrote:

Mathil is a professional gamer and perhaps THE best player for creative gimmicky builds?

he just makes builds, he picks a skill, virtually any skill, decides how hes gonna scale the damage, just grabs some damage and life then beats the game with it.

guys Michael Jordan can play basketball in high heels and with one arm tied behind his back ... if he can do it you can too, its not that hard.

Well, we're lucky that PoE isn't an esports game, if you look at what a good player is doing and do the same thing you should be able to get at least 50% of his performance. If you tried to copy Michael Jordan, 1% would probably be the most you can hope for.

And don't worry, people are usually complaining there's zero skill in PoE, it's supposedly a 100% knowledge check. So, I was being very generous with 50%, hell, you might manage exactly the same thing if you tried.

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TemjinGold wrote:

Reading this thread makes me wonder if people actually know how meta builds come to be. GGG doesn't ordain them as meta with a ceremony or anything. Meta builds are not different from non-meta builds in that someone spent some time to figure one out. The only differences really are that that someone has good building foundational knowledge along with the reach of a streamer to make such build known to a wide audience. This is literally just a good build that a lot of people now know about. It doesn't even mean these are the absolute best or strongest builds possible. People who create meta builds just have a lot of indepth knowledge. They don't have a monopoly on good ideas. The problem is just people are too lazy to try to do anything for themselves and have to be spoonfed, then complain about that.

If you feel you HAVE TO use a meta build, it usually means you don't know how to build a character right and can't bother to learn. If that's the case, yes you have to use a meta build or you will get slaughtered.

If you bother at all to learn the basics of what makes a good character, there is no need to play meta.

Nope, you are wrong GGG dont ordain meta: The preview where they introduced mageblood they straight-up said that it was gonna be a build-defining thing. Another aspect is the simple fact that some stuff is rarer than others and some affixes are more common than others

Yes, they dont hand out whole builds, but you seem to be impliyng they dont corrale us at all and meta is a construct purely from players. Thats not true, they have at least an general idea of what the meta is going to be and the nerf/buff machine is a direct way to force the meta on the direction they please

And just the way you said: "learn all the basics of what makes a good character" implies how there are clear-cut wrong ways to do it and how the game itself defeats the freedom it markets by forcing us to follow those "basics". Woudnt be a problem if those "basics" were actually "basic" and not a massively long list of "donts" almost as long as the total amount of choices we have, even if we look outside the top meta, what we see? Looking at characters above 87 on ninja, over half of the used uniqs in the game are used by less than a total of 30 characters in the whole league, over half of the skill gems are not used by even 20 characters on the whole league, and the number of gems that are not used by 100 characters total is closer to 3/4 of the whole list

Seriously, the way GGG railroads us towards the direction they want is ridiculous. Your "basics" exclude a good 2/3rds of the game, if thats not godawful design, idk what it is

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

i dont even know whats meta, i havent bothered paying attention to what is meta for years and years and years

Ok, of your characters with gear and gems showing we have this.

Forbidden Rite Totems, ED Occultist, Sunder Gladiator, Another ED Occultist,
FB Raider (I played this guy too, Fivers did a great guide on it), Cyclone Jugg.

Those were all meta builds. Your one medium meta build is autobomber HoT, which I doubt you were the originator of the build, no offense.

For the others, you are arriving at the same meta builds on your own if we are to believe you dont get info from anywhere else, which would be weird since you are all over the forums all the time. Kinda sounds silly to say you spend all this time here and dont know what builds are popular... but ok.

Anyway, even if true, not sure how that changes the conversation. You can derive the meta builds on your own? That cool.

Let me spell out the basics:

1) Cap all your resistances.

2) Get ~4-5k life

3) Get a couple of defensive layers.

4) If you want to clear high red maps easily, get ~1MM dps.

5) If you want to go after pinnacle bosses easily, aim for anywhere from 2MM to 10MM depending on how bad you are at boss mechanics.

If you can follow these basics you can literally play ANY skills you like and you can clear pretty much anything other than Ubers in this game. Nothing needs to be excluded from the game. And no, I do not consider clearing Ubers to be a requirement for a good working build.

The problem most players have is they cannot adhere to these simple rules. They cannot build an efficient tree that aims towards these goals without having something to copy. They instead insist that games are meant to have zero challenge and are not fun if they can't roflstomp everything with a passive tree and gear that they picked blindfolded with a dart board.

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Id1eRace wrote:

Games are suppose to be fun and relaxing.

If this was true, studios like Naughty Dog and From Software would've gone out of business years ago.

There are plenty of easy & relaxing games, might I suggest playing those instead of trying to change this one?

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TemjinGold wrote:

Let me spell out the basics:

1) Cap all your resistances.

2) Get ~4-5k life

3) Get a couple of defensive layers.

4) If you want to clear high red maps easily, get ~1MM dps.

5) If you want to go after pinnacle bosses easily, aim for anywhere from 2MM to 10MM depending on how bad you are at boss mechanics.

If you can follow these basics you can literally play ANY skills you like and you can clear pretty much anything other than Ubers in this game. Nothing needs to be excluded from the game. And no, I do not consider clearing Ubers to be a requirement for a good working build.

The problem most players have is they cannot adhere to these simple rules. They cannot build an efficient tree that aims towards these goals without having something to copy. They instead insist that games are meant to have zero challenge and are not fun if they can't roflstomp everything with a passive tree and gear that they picked blindfolded with a dart board.

Ehhh... can you make a build with 75 res and 4k life and using... lets say... firestorm or crackling lance and make it work?

From what i get from ninja, only exactly 2 people could do it with firestorm, one had a mageblood and the other put together a build with almost 10k life, so not exactly trivial, others used variants of cwdt skeleton loops
Crackling lance seems to be less taxing, as more people managed to put a good build on a modest budget(still less than two digits number of people tho)

Idk man... i kinda feel like claiming that you just need 75 res, 4k life and 1 or 2 decently ramped defensive layers and you can do any content bar ubers is a bit of a bold statment...

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raics wrote:

Well, we're lucky that PoE isn't an esports game, if you look at what a good player is doing and do the same thing you should be able to get at least 50% of his performance. If you tried to copy Michael Jordan, 1% would probably be the most you can hope for.

And don't worry, people are usually complaining there's zero skill in PoE, it's supposedly a 100% knowledge check. So, I was being very generous with 50%, hell, you might manage exactly the same thing if you tried.

Guys Elden ring and Dark souls games can be beat by level 1 characters naked using the first weapon i've seen it on youtube by some people.

that's how easy the game is you should be able to do it as well.

oops wrong thread