is diablo 3 worth buying?

How are you playing PoE when you acc is not a beta member? :D

For me D3 was worth the money (34pounds). The game is a blast to play with a wizard. Conversations with NPCs are both interesting and often funny (unlike PoE).

And if this game will be as good for a longer time I got no clue. PoE got huge potential to overtake D3 but they need to make combat more interesting and faster.

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ExileDude wrote:

I think the problem with Diablo 3 is quite simple. A lot of people say Diablo 2 is one of the best games ever made, and they have waited 11 years for a sequel. How the heck do you live up to those expectations?

You take 11 years of game logic and technology and hundreds of millions of dollars, and you make a better game?

You would think so, but unfortunately it's not quite that simple. To put it simple, Diablo 3 -is- better than Diablo 2 in every way. It's been 11 years, so the technology is much better, the graphics and sound are better, the gameplay better and so on. But "better than the last" isn't enough. Far from it. People have had 11 years to build up their expectations to Diablo 3, and in that time their expectations kept rising. At first it was simple things like better graphics and a better tuned and balanced gameplay, but as the years went on, people's expectations kept rising even higher.

But people tend to remember the good things and forget the bad. At some point people no longer wanted a 'new' Diablo-game. They wanted a sequel to the 'perfect' Diablo 2. People started forgetting things like the crappy graphcis, the useless henchmen, the endless grinding, the 69 useless levels after you got your last skill and so on. Bossruns on the Hell difficulty was fun for some, but what about everything up to that point? And what about the fact you could plow your way through the hardest difficulty at lvl 60, and still have 39 levels to go? Not to mention "Diablo 3 isn't dark enough." Well, Diablo 2 was set in a desert...

Then bring on Diablo 3. It didn't just have to be better than Diablo 2. It had to take Diablo 2, strip away all the boring parts people wanted to forget about, and then build a game based entirely on the good parts that was left. Not only that, but those good parts had to be even better than before. That's simply not possible. Think for instance about people complaining about classes being nerfed. (in non-geek terms: balancing patches making skills weaker.) Diablo 3 has been out less than two weeks, yet people are already complaining about the nerfing. Yet what they completely forget is that Diablo 2 had been out for years before it got an expansion, and then they played that too for years. If you really want to compare the balancing in Diablo 2 vs Diablo 3, wait three or four years and see how Diablo 3 is holding up. Deciding classes are 'nerfed' after two weeks is ridiculous.

Not only that, but Blizzard have confirmed expansions to Diablo 3 (plural, even). They are sure to bring in more classes, more acts and, more important, a lot of the things people are complaining about. Personally, I don't see Diablo 3 as a finished game. I see it as a newborn game that'll only keep on growing up.

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ExileDude wrote:

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Lol d3 cant be better than d2 because they are not same games at all. Also you must be diablo 3 fanboy if you say everything in d3 is better than in d2, but it just isn't.
The things that are worse in d3 are:
-items
-skill system (level progression and reward for leveling is the most terrible thing I played in any arpg game)
-no ladder
-no PvP for now
-no offline mod
-difrent art style compared to d1 and d2, blizzard said it themselves they change the art style (its matter of taste, but you must be blind if you can't see the difference)
-story

Some of your wrong coments:
-useless henchmen? They are still useless in inferno
-endless grind? I wonder what did you played in d3... ooh forgot about AH, sorry
-on lvl 60 complete hell? You can if you have best items possible, if no, you gonna hit the wall and die like rabbit, especially if you play single player with no help from other players. Also you would lose ton of money and also exp, so you can forget to try to level if you die a lot.

What is better in d3:
-action
-a lot of skills and skill design
-monster and boss design
-graphic
-there is ton of lore
-character resource system

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ExileDude wrote:

You would think so, but unfortunately it's not quite that simple. To put it simple, Diablo 3 -is- better than Diablo 2 in every way. It's been 11 years, so the technology is much better, the graphics and sound are better, the gameplay better and so on. But "better than the last" isn't enough. Far from it. People have had 11 years to build up their expectations to Diablo 3, and in that time their expectations kept rising. At first it was simple things like better graphics and a better tuned and balanced gameplay, but as the years went on, people's expectations kept rising even higher.

It's such a great game, you can't even play singleplayer if your connection is crap.

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ExileDude wrote:

But people tend to remember the good things and forget the bad. At some point people no longer wanted a 'new' Diablo-game. They wanted a sequel to the 'perfect' Diablo 2. People started forgetting things like the crappy graphcis,

At a certain point, whether or not the graphics are to your liking is a matter of opinion. However, charging $60 for a game that can't be graphically modded when D2, TL2, and a host of other, cheaper games can is a ripoff.

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ExileDude wrote:

the useless henchmen, the endless grinding, the 69 useless levels after you got your last skill and so on. Bossruns on the Hell difficulty was fun for some, but what about everything up to that point? And what about the fact you could plow your way through the hardest difficulty at lvl 60, and still have 39 levels to go? Not to mention "Diablo 3 isn't dark enough." Well, Diablo 2 was set in a desert...

According to the reviews I've heard, D3's bloat is worse, not better.

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ExileDude wrote:

Then bring on Diablo 3. It didn't just have to be better than Diablo 2. It had to take Diablo 2, strip away all the boring parts people wanted to forget about, and then build a game based entirely on the good parts that was left. Not only that, but those good parts had to be even better than before. That's simply not possible.

It would have been very easy, actually. Just increase the frequency of waypoints and revamp level design. D2:Median Omega managed to make every single level interesting.

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ExileDude wrote:

Think for instance about people complaining about classes being nerfed. (in non-geek terms: balancing patches making skills weaker.) Diablo 3 has been out less than two weeks, yet people are already complaining about the nerfing. Yet what they completely forget is that Diablo 2 had been out for years before it got an expansion, and then they played that too for years. If you really want to compare the balancing in Diablo 2 vs Diablo 3, wait three or four years and see how Diablo 3 is holding up. Deciding classes are 'nerfed' after two weeks is ridiculous.

Balance is subjective. If I don't like how classes are balanced in D2, I can mod them. I can't do that in D3.

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ExileDude wrote:

Not only that, but Blizzard have confirmed expansions to Diablo 3 (plural, even). They are sure to bring in more classes, more acts and, more important, a lot of the things people are complaining about. Personally, I don't see Diablo 3 as a finished game. I see it as a newborn game that'll only keep on growing up.

So they release an unfinished product and then charge us to complete it.

You are both missing my point. What I was trying to say is that Diablo 2 is nowhere near as perfect as you think it was. It had more than it's share of problems. What about all the dupes and bots? Diablo 3 doesn't have PvP, but so what? How many actually played it in Diablo 2? Not many. I honestly don't know anyone who ever even tried it.

No, Diablo 3 isn't perfect either, and I never said it was. What I did say is I enjoy it a lot, and I think a lot of people would if they could just forget about Diablo 2 for a second. Sure it has problems, but so did Diablo 2. Lots of them, in fact. And if we go back to Diablo 1, I played it around 20 minutes online in total before I gave up. There were too many cheaters there. Diablo 2 was better, but I gave up that game too because of cheaters. You don't like the AH? How about a random guy handing you the best stuff in the game as soon as you log in with your lvl 1 character? That happened to me in Diablo 2 quite frequently. Some even got mad when I refused to accept it and said I wanted to find my stuff on my own. God knows why. But the truth is, that's the 'perfect' game you remember. It was far from perfect. I loved it so much I bought several of the books, but I'll be the first to admit it had flaws. And I'll be the first to admit Diablo 3 has flaws.

Yes, we grind a lot in Diablo 3. But am I the only person on the planet who remember all the talks people and Blizzard had about the magig find-bonus on Inferno before the game was released? The longer you don't swap skills, the bigger MF bonus you get on Inferno. Yet people swap skills frequently and complain when they can't find good loot. Diablo 3 has a lot of the same issues Diablo 2 had, but it has a lot of the great issues, too. And seriously, people. The whole "it's only online" whinefest is getting old. If being online only was such a big deal, why are we talking about it on the Path of Exile forum? You do know this game will also be online only? So if it's such a big deal in Diablo 3, I expect most of you to leave this forum within a few days. After all, if Diablo 3 is unplayable because it has to be online, Path of Exile is unplayable because it's online only, so you better just leave now before you get disappointed when the game is finally out and you can't play it.

And yes, I think Diablo 3 is a game that'll keep on growing. Just like Diablo 1 and 2. And Path of Exiles, for that matter.

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ExileDude wrote:

The whole "it's only online" whinefest is getting old. If being online only was such a big deal, why are we talking about it on the Path of Exile forum? You do know this game will also be online only?

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ExileDude wrote:

You are both missing my point. What I was trying to say is that Diablo 2 is nowhere near as perfect as you think it was.

I never said that D2 is perfect, oh psychic one. D2 was a flawed but fun game.

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ExileDude wrote:

It had more than it's share of problems. What about all the dupes and bots?

As if that won't happen in D3. I only played singleplayer/LAN in D2 anyway.

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ExileDude wrote:

Diablo 3 doesn't have PvP, but so what? How many actually played it in Diablo 2? Not many. I honestly don't know anyone who ever even tried it.

I don't know anyone who does x =/= noone does x.

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ExileDude wrote:

No, Diablo 3 isn't perfect either, and I never said it was. What I did say is I enjoy it a lot,

Glad you're enjoying yourself.

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ExileDude wrote:

and I think a lot of people would if they could just forget about Diablo 2 for a second. Sure it has problems, but so did Diablo 2. Lots of them, in fact. And if we go back to Diablo 1, I played it around 20 minutes online in total before I gave up. There were too many cheaters there. Diablo 2 was better, but I gave up that game too because of cheaters. You don't like the AH? How about a random guy handing you the best stuff in the game as soon as you log in with your lvl 1 character? That happened to me in Diablo 2 quite frequently. Some even got mad when I refused to accept it and said I wanted to find my stuff on my own. God knows why. But the truth is, that's the 'perfect' game you remember. It was far from perfect. I loved it so much I bought several of the books, but I'll be the first to admit it had flaws. And I'll be the first to admit Diablo 3 has flaws.

Every game has flaws. Yes, D2 was deeply flawed, but I could play it back when I didn't have a constant internet connection.

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ExileDude wrote:

Yes, we grind a lot in Diablo 3. But am I the only person on the planet who remember all the talks people and Blizzard had about the magig find-bonus on Inferno before the game was released? The longer you don't swap skills, the bigger MF bonus you get on Inferno. Yet people swap skills frequently and complain when they can't find good loot.

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ExileDude wrote:

Diablo 3 has a lot of the same issues Diablo 2 had, but it has a lot of the great issues, too.

So they failed to fix well known problems and then introduced new ones. Nice.

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ExileDude wrote:

And seriously, people. The whole "it's only online" whinefest is getting old. If being online only was such a big deal, why are we talking about it on the Path of Exile forum? You do know this game will also be online only? So if it's such a big deal in Diablo 3, I expect most of you to leave this forum within a few days. After all, if Diablo 3 is unplayable because it has to be online, Path of Exile is unplayable because it's online only, so you better just leave now before you get disappointed when the game is finally out and you can't play it.

"Online only" wouldn't be as big a problem if the Blizzard servers were better maintained. I so far have never failed to log in to POE. If I bought ERROR37, I doubt I would have the same experience.

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ExileDude wrote:

And yes, I think Diablo 3 is a game that'll keep on growing. Just like Diablo 1 and 2. And Path of Exiles, for that matter.

Without mod support, how will D3 grow exactly?

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"Online only" wouldn't be as big a problem if the Blizzard servers were better maintained. I so far have never failed to log in to POE. If I bought ERROR37, I doubt I would have the same experience.

Not sure if better maintained is correct here,
On day one of course 3.5 million people are trying
to log in.
That I am sure was a lot of the problem, but a few
days later I have been playing with the wife with
no problems.
I hope POE is so popular that they should have the same
problems too, in this economy I am sure everyone would
enjoy that problem.
I will be enjoying the summer playing POE,D3, and TL2.

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necromuso wrote:

Not sure if better maintained is correct here,
On day one of course 3.5 million people are trying
to log in.
That I am sure was a lot of the problem, but a few
days later I have been playing with the wife with
no problems.
I hope POE is so popular that they should have the same
problems too, in this economy I am sure everyone would
enjoy that problem.
I will be enjoying the summer playing POE,D3, and TL2.

I'm glad you can play it, because these people:http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviews?sort-by=score&num_items=100&page=28
can't.

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ExileDude wrote:

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That is better now. Yes d3 has problems and d2 had also, but saying everything is better in d3 is not correct. I also enjoy the game and love it, but i am not blind to its new and old problems.

Also it hurts me that things that you didn like, but a lot of people liked like PvP and offline, you just don't care, and even support it by saying you didn't played it at all, it is just selfish, and if it was there it would not change the way you played. I really don't know if you didnt played that much, or are little "troling" but you must look around if you really think very little players played PvP.
Also you must learn that all AAA games that are not MMO must never be online only because of all problems that people have with it. I died few times becouse of lag in inferno and somtimes must just stop playing because of lot of lag spikes.

About inferno, I guess you didn't get to inferno yet, but magic find-bonus doesnt fix anything in d3 as same as having ton of magic find in d2 didn't make it that much different. D3 is much bigger grind than d2 ever was, becouse of much harder difficulty and request for much better items. When you get to inferno you will see it for yourself.

People talk about d2 fanboys and I hate them saying that d3 is bad game becouse they didnt played it, but the problem is that there are now also d3 fanboys that will defend anything that just cannot be defended.