bit of pushback against comments chris made recently regarding the ex/div switch

As much as I dislike the change I don't really care about stockpiled standard wealth that much.

I do strongly disagree with their goal of making items rolls ranges be significantly more meaningful. For a player like me that just means there are more feel-bad moments.
The way I see it, they ideally could've offered every player to swap the amount of their exalts and divines when they log in a permanent league, that would nip the whole discussion in the bud.

However, it might be a bit trickier than it seems on the technical side. People often have a ton of remove-only tabs in there and there might be issues with handling those. Also, you would probably need to have a button somewhere to trigger the dialogue, and they would also have to disable trading, stash transfer or picking up anything until you made that decision to prevent people from hoarding up exalts before making the switch.

So, it might be more work than their 15 heavyweight standard players are worth, so to speak. However, it would be the right thing to do, and GGG kinda needs more general-goodwill-generating moves like that these days.
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Miathan51 wrote:
League always was, and always will be, real PoE. How a change affects standard should never be a valid reason to not do a change that is otherwise good. I support what GGG did.


Standard is the real PoE. Leagues are just a beta test for new features.

If they decide to wipe all my stuff I have in Standard, then I'll have no reason to keep playing the game. The ball is in their court.
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this statement was ok-ish if you talk about those who got 2000k ex+ in their bank, it was bullshit for those who had max 100-300 ex because they had job and all.

Imo overall could have just not say anything about it instead of backstabbing those "little" currency owners again
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ivkoto77777 wrote:

Standard is the real PoE. Leagues are just a beta test for new features.

If they decide to wipe all my stuff I have in Standard, then I'll have no reason to keep playing the game. The ball is in their court.


Keep thinking that the non-default version of the game that has like 5% of the playerbase and a permanently fucked economy is "real PoE"
Just because you mentioned the real economy's money which is supposedly more stable, over time my governments decided to swap the country's currency twice with me losing a lot of buying power in each process.

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Claiming that ggg intentionally killed exalts is a bit far fetched, they just swapped the currency type for one type of crafts.

And to me, the outcome it had on exchange rates directly points to the crafts themselves being the problem cause they're too powerful.

If there is any doubt that their bench crafting destroyed the normal progression, I would just point to ruthless mode which has no crafting bench. There will be no sudden shift in exchange courses there :)

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Snorkle_uk wrote:
ok so chris made a comment i think in an interview with ziggy recently regarding the switch between exalts and divines. he made the comment, and if it was just to try and push aside criticism as a PR comment he doesnt really buy behind closed doors then ok, fine. but if he and the rest of ggg actually believe what he said then i feel the need to push back against it because its important the devs acknowledge what they are doing moving forward if things like this become options again. maybe u still do it, but be honest with yourselves about what you are doing.



when pushed about people who had vast amounts of exalts suddenly being screwed by this switch he said people should have diversified their investments, and its like investing all your money in bitcoin and then bitcoin goes bad, you should have a more stable position...


no, owning exalts was not like investing your money in bitcoin and then suddenly bitcoin goes down and something else goes up. owning exalts was like owning money, it wasnt investing your money in something, it was money and you turned around one day and said oh, btw dollars are no longer money, buttons are now money and if you owned actual money in the bank sry youre fucked, but if you happened to have a lot of money invested in buttons well done you won the lottery today.


thats what happened, its not investing money in this or that, it was having money as agreed by the community. and chris even acknowledges this when asked about divine shards he says divine shards exist, theyre called chaos orbs... oh really? chaos orbs hu? not alchs? not regals? not scroll fragments? why does he say chaos orbs?


because chaos orbs are money, they are what we as a community have agreed is money for a decade now, thats why he said chaos orbs. theyre not investing in bitcoin, they are raw money, and exalts were raw money. you may have had a dream that you had an economy that had no gold, but that didnt survive contact with reality, just like a stone of jordan things became money and you know this hence the chaos orb comment. you cant change stone or jordan and nagelring around and say well, now soj isnt money, nagelring is by dev decree and you should have had half sojs and half nagelrings... why nagelring? you would have to own equal amounts of all uniques in the game incase the devs randomly changed agreed money, soj, into another random unique? and if you dont then hey ur silly for putting all your money into bitcoin? no, im sry thats bs.




you did what you did, and it is what it is, im not even making this thread to complain about it, chris is a top guy and i have a lot of love for him. but dont bs yourselves about what it was you did, and acknowledge in the future if you do this again what it is you are doing and take responsibility for your actions, stop trying to pass the buck onto players for drastic actions you took that massively screwed some long term players that worked hard for those items and you bare full responsibility for.


Well said!
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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If POE2 is a total reset of the game, I just hope ggg will sell an offline version of POE1.


On-topic:
you (standard players) have been devalued and discarded with this ex/div change. In order to heal, we need to unlock emotional detachment so that whatever changes in the future we no longer care.
While both sides arguing that the Ex/Div swap has merits/raises problems, the most important lesson learned by everyone playing Standard is actually the amount of confidence we can have that the Devs will always go bananas with untested changes that impact their game - last year was a wild ride.

I'm actually disturbed by the Devs using horse blinders and being excessively patronising with "we always know best" attitude no matter the obvious errors of their decisions and their implementations, way more than a "puny" currency swap could ever make me (by the way, I actually profited from the swap due to simply having more Divines than Ex at hand).

What is more concerning is the possibility of a complete wipe of Standard and especially legacy items (and I actually don't mean perfect/OP uniques - but those cool rares I actually looted/bought myself) as those items mark progress in PoE just as much my level 100 character.

Losing those will make me to never invest time/money in PoE - these days, as a work from home dad, I can only sneak a few hours of game time when I have some downtime at work - and I know other friends or guildies are in a similar situation, where starting from 0 is "FUN" precisely 1 time AT MOST.

Regardless, we all have an opinion regarding the maligned, but necessary Div/Ex swap, yet the sad conclusion is that even if we, the playerbase adapt as usual, the Devs have 99.99% chance to keep thinking "they can do no wrong", because we're still playing and "enjoying" (more or less) the game.
Which will lead to their loss of the remaining good will - these days you can be certain that PoE will do only 1 thing every 3 months like clockwork - miss the mark, underdeliver and disappoint (due to excessive expectations building up, a huge backlog of tech depth and "know it better" patronising attitude) - but they at least try their best and are still passionate about it...

We all know that hope dies last, right? They might still "turn everything around" come Poze 2 sometime next year...
PSS: Our almighty TencentGGG overlords are very scrupulous regarding criticizing their abilities to take proper decisions and consider everything "needlessly harsh and condescending"...

Good to know "free speech" doesn't apply in any form or manner on the forums these days...
This game is for whales that like shiny new mtx. Those people pay their bills. We speak with our wallets. That's the design though. The loot boxes, the new skins and now the seasonal vault pass thing. Yeaaaaaa... it's to get consumers hooked. It just looks like they're providing a good service because new things come out all the time. This is the design for all things these days though. People aren't awake because they are ignorant or they are unable to through no real fault of their own

I saw some comments that said Chris was right about diversifying. But that's right... think further outside this game. Don't just go from exalts to divine orbs and then to whatever you THINK will be next within this game. Find another game to have as backup. You can't predict the nonsense they will pull with this game and the BS excuse that will be made. Nothing lasts forever... always have a plan B
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