Why is pathofmatth banned?

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Destructodave wrote:

Eh, this sets a really bad precedence to me. Path is hated, so everyone is pretty happy it happened, and I personally cant stand the guy, either. So I'm not exactly losing sleep over it.

However, gaming companies banning people from the game because of what they say on twitch/social media sets a very bad precedent. Imagine all the people who bash Bobby Kotick, Ian, etc. What if Blizzard just started perma-banning these people from their games because they didnt like what they heard.

I feel like this would be way more warranted as a Twitch ban, since he was saying things I thought was not allowed on Twitch, moreso than banned in PoE.

Again, before I'm labeled as taking his side, I have no sympathy for this guy getting banned. He's one of the most unlikeable guys in this community. But I also dont like the idea that gaming companies can just start banning people from the game because they dont like what they have heard. You can go to just about every game channel on Twitch and find someone flaming devs/ceos/etc of whatever game they are playing.

Again, I think I would feel better about it if Twitch was banning him/them for personal attacks, than the gaming companies banning them from their games.

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StarTraveller_DK wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

Eh, this sets a really bad precedence to me. Path is hated, so everyone is pretty happy it happened, and I personally cant stand the guy, either. So I'm not exactly losing sleep over it.

However, gaming companies banning people from the game because of what they say on twitch/social media sets a very bad precedent. Imagine all the people who bash Bobby Kotick, Ian, etc. What if Blizzard just started perma-banning these people from their games because they didnt like what they heard.

I feel like this would be way more warranted as a Twitch ban, since he was saying things I thought was not allowed on Twitch, moreso than banned in PoE.

Again, before I'm labeled as taking his side, I have no sympathy for this guy getting banned. He's one of the most unlikeable guys in this community. But I also dont like the idea that gaming companies can just start banning people from the game because they dont like what they have heard. You can go to just about every game channel on Twitch and find someone flaming devs/ceos/etc of whatever game they are playing.

Again, I think I would feel better about it if Twitch was banning him/them for personal attacks, than the gaming companies banning them from their games.

Well said.

After reading the ToS again today, I believe GGG's only direct recourse would be to instruct PoM to remove all his PoE content. They can request that of any content creator for any reason as per the ToS. But they have no basis in the ToS for banning him for something he said outside of the game, website, or forums.

And then any offended person can personally file a complaint with Twitch if he feels that he was personally attacked. It's then up to Twitch to determine if PoM broke the Twitch ToS. Similarly with any other platform that may have been used by PoM.

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StarTraveller_DK wrote:

After reading the ToS again today, I believe GGG's only direct recourse would be to instruct PoM to remove all his PoE content. They can request that of any content creator for any reason as per the ToS. But they have no basis in the ToS for banning him for something he said outside of the game, website, or forums.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

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StarTraveller_DK wrote:

After reading the ToS again today, I believe GGG's only direct recourse would be to instruct PoM to remove all his PoE content. They can request that of any content creator for any reason as per the ToS. But they have no basis in the ToS for banning him for something he said outside of the game, website, or forums.

Really? Even this paragraph?

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Notwithstanding the "is it legal?" arguments, the Terms of Use seems to pretty clearly assert that GGG can ban players for any reason whatsoever. Repeatedly and publicly maligning GGG staff on Twitch (if that indeed is the reason, we'll never know) falls pretty clearly in the realm of "behaviour which Grinding Gear Games deems in its sole discretion is not in keeping with the intended spirit of participation in PoE or for any other reason whatsoever."

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xPiranha wrote:

should of kept his shit talk in a discord or something.

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Blazera wrote:

You all miss the point. He said this outside of this game and forums. How is it staff abuse? It's only staff abuse if he said this in this forums or in game.