Minions were already TRASH before and only good at one thing but now...

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

I will share a secret with you.
That was the point of the nerf. For minions to not be completly broken on low budget.
I played Skeleton Mages, I spent less than 20 ex on that build and it was more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game (ubers didnt exist back then, it was in Scourge league).

Skeleton Mages got a 75% dmg nerf to the skill gem alone.
So congratulations, if you had a decently geared mage build doing ~12 million dps it'll now do ~3 million dps.

Which is still enough to map comfortably.
It wont kill uber bosses with low budget anymore. But also not every build needs to be Uber viable.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Unless you invest alot is every other skill already though :p so is everyones problem that they nerfed what they want to play or is it that they (GGG) just expect too much investment into a build?

I'm seeing more and more signs that its the latter, players want good performance on the cheap and there are less and less of those available.

this is a big reason why i grew tired of the game when i did. hell i don't even remember when that was.

but i loved making budget builds. figuring out what would work before league start, playing one build, and eventually building it up to a point where it could take on all content throughout the league.

as you say, this became less and less available. but this was my favourite way to play, and my favourite builds came out of it....mostly because they were of my creation

i think the most successful one by far was Toxic Rain in delve and betrayal league, because TR was just busted back then for sure.
next was probably my ignite fireball trickster build around the heist eras. suuuuuper powerful. easily cleared all content, super cheap, very tanky

ah good times

How can you say they were only good at low budget? Have you actually seen a high budget minion build? Minions will be fine as usual. Wait till the 5heads crack the code and then you can go back to copying them.

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SaintW wrote:

How can you say they were only good at low budget? Have you actually seen a high budget minion build? Minions will be fine as usual. Wait till the 5heads crack the code and then you can go back to copying them.

Kind of the reason minions was good imho.


You didn't need someone to tell you how to make your build. You could do it on your own. It was unique in that way, it was a great build for newbies to play and also good for people that just didnt want to screw around with POB and other third party crap.

Sometimes a person just wants to plug and play, and that should be possible. Needing 23010941 extrnal programs or a degree to play a game is pathetic.

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SaintW wrote:

How can you say they were only good at low budget? Have you actually seen a high budget minion build? Minions will be fine as usual. Wait till the 5heads crack the code and then you can go back to copying them.

Because I played one? My profile is open. It costed you nothing to check it before leaving this comment.

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Suslikwishmaker wrote:

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SaintW wrote:

How can you say they were only good at low budget? Have you actually seen a high budget minion build? Minions will be fine as usual. Wait till the 5heads crack the code and then you can go back to copying them.

Kind of the reason minions was good imho.


You didn't need someone to tell you how to make your build. You could do it on your own. It was unique in that way, it was a great build for newbies to play and also good for people that just didnt want to screw around with POB and other third party crap.

Sometimes a person just wants to plug and play, and that should be possible. Needing 23010941 extrnal programs or a degree to play a game is pathetic.

That's true and now minions lost it pretty much.

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Aynix wrote:

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

I will share a secret with you.
That was the point of the nerf. For minions to not be completly broken on low budget.
I played Skeleton Mages, I spent less than 20 ex on that build and it was more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game (ubers didnt exist back then, it was in Scourge league).

Skeleton Mages got a 75% dmg nerf to the skill gem alone.
So congratulations, if you had a decently geared mage build doing ~12 million dps it'll now do ~3 million dps.

Which is still enough to map comfortably.
It wont kill uber bosses with low budget anymore. But also not every build needs to be Uber viable.

Correction. You never did Uber Bosses on low budget Skeleton Mages. Just look at my profile - Exarch, Maven and Eater are still a struggle even at this point (other 4 are weaker).

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xMustard wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Unless you invest alot is every other skill already though :p so is everyones problem that they nerfed what they want to play or is it that they (GGG) just expect too much investment into a build?

I'm seeing more and more signs that its the latter, players want good performance on the cheap and there are less and less of those available.

this is a big reason why i grew tired of the game when i did. hell i don't even remember when that was.

but i loved making budget builds. figuring out what would work before league start, playing one build, and eventually building it up to a point where it could take on all content throughout the league.

as you say, this became less and less available. but this was my favourite way to play, and my favourite builds came out of it....mostly because they were of my creation

i think the most successful one by far was Toxic Rain in delve and betrayal league, because TR was just busted back then for sure.
next was probably my ignite fireball trickster build around the heist eras. suuuuuper powerful. easily cleared all content, super cheap, very tanky

ah good times

Yeah, it's annoying that GGG slowly but sutely nerfs base level of every build. I don't understand it. Do they want every build to suck without good gear? That is such an awful direction to take.

I too miss simplier times.

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I'm not sure obviously, but I think I can infer that the process of crafting items, and really min/maxing your builds is tied to player in-game time.

They have already stated that their monetization maximizes, and financial conversion rates increases once players hit maps.

So I think they want to extend this time as long as possible. It sorta makes sense, but the very big issue(s) I see is that by making the progression to this point feel much worse, the percentage of players that even gets to maps or well into maps is lower. In addition crafting, imo, doesnt have the same feeling as looting / finding itmes. GGG is getting farther away from that and doubling down on crafting. It's an interesting direction to take, but its clear they much prefer players making stuff, than finding stuff.

Edit: Also why this line in then Manifesto regarding Minion items is getting meme'd so hard.

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Path of Exile is a game about finding items to improve your character.

No, GGG, it's not.

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SunL4D2 wrote:

Correction. You never did Uber Bosses on low budget Skeleton Mages. Just look at my profile - Exarch, Maven and Eater are still a struggle even at this point (other 4 are weaker).

That was exactly my point, which you missed entirely. If you were able to clear Ubers on LOW BUDGET no shit the build got nerfed hard. Because that shouldnt be even possible.
No build with low investment should be able to clear uber bosses which is peak content meant for 0.1%

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Aynix wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

Correction. You never did Uber Bosses on low budget Skeleton Mages. Just look at my profile - Exarch, Maven and Eater are still a struggle even at this point (other 4 are weaker).

That was exactly my point, which you missed entirely. If you were able to clear Ubers on LOW BUDGET no shit the build got nerfed hard. Because that shouldnt be even possible.
No build with low investment should be able to clear uber bosses which is peak content meant for 0.1%

maybe you missed his point....he's struggling even on his super high budget build so imagine how bad its gonna get after the nerfs

Well, if he is struggling with this amount of investment its player fault at this point. Pretty sure his build reached more than enough DPS to kill all Ubers (except Exarch, this fight is bs)

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Aynix wrote:

I will share a secret with you.
That was the point of the nerf. For minions to not be completly broken on low budget.
I played Skeleton Mages, I spent less than 20 ex on that build and it was more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game (ubers didnt exist back then, it was in Scourge league).

dude 20 ex isnt "low budget" LMAO with 20 ex investment all the meta builds could trash all content with ease