Minions were already TRASH before and only good at one thing but now...

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RandallPOE wrote:

How many leagues in a row now have we had a minions are dead thread?

because they WERE dead except skele mages and spiders,. now they are pretty much dead too unless you invest a lot

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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RandallPOE wrote:

How many leagues in a row now have we had a minions are dead thread?

because they WERE dead except skele mages and spiders,. now they are pretty much dead too unless you invest a lot

Unless you invest alot is every other skill already though :p so is everyones problem that they nerfed what they want to play or is it that they (GGG) just expect too much investment into a build?

I'm seeing more and more signs that its the latter, players want good performance on the cheap and there are less and less of those available.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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RandallPOE wrote:

How many leagues in a row now have we had a minions are dead thread?

because they WERE dead except skele mages and spiders,. now they are pretty much dead too unless you invest a lot

Unless you invest alot is every other skill already though :p so is everyones problem that they nerfed what they want to play or is it that they (GGG) just expect too much investment into a build?

I'm seeing more and more signs that its the latter, players want good performance on the cheap and there are less and less of those available.

they are out of touch with the community. they look at the top streamers and think that everyone is like that

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

they are out of touch with the community. they look at the top streamers and think that everyone is like that

No, but not everyone is a fruit ninja either. For instance, so many people played the Gauntlet this time that Ziz had to ask GGG to roll the rewards because the api couldn't list them all.

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Aynix wrote:

I will share a secret with you.
That was the point of the nerf. For minions to not be completly broken on low budget.
I played Skeleton Mages, I spent less than 20 ex on that build and it was more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game (ubers didnt exist back then, it was in Scourge league).

Except they were not "ecompletely broken on budget", just decent at best.

Everything in the game includes Deep Delve, insane mods Feared, etc. etc. so nope. Also don't confuse sturggling your way through a fight barely doing it with "more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game". If you twist definition of words so much basic attack is "more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game" as well.

I played Skeleton Mages to 100 pushing EXP in maps and did most content, build is complete bait. You don't get nor damage nor tankiness of other builds. 20 EX is complete joke of a budget, you barely break (if one does) into 30 mil on 600+ Exalts budget (major portion of that is MB though) LMAO.

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PANTHEONE wrote:

There is no Minion build (except spiders) which is can handle with Uber Bosses. Now it became completely impossible.

So minions are nearly dead, all fun for me from this game is dead. Seems i will skipp this league for the first time since 2019.

I did all Ubers on Skeleton Mages. I invested a ton though and it was still rough except weaker Ubers like Uber Elder / Shaper / Cortex / Sirus (except first 3 phases, they are annoying).

Minion nerfs are massive indeed though.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

spiders might be still good but everyone will play them now and the cost of the build will go up x1000

looks like GGG wants minion enjoyers to play 1 build only

Everyone was already playing it. With slight nerf to the spiders the build will most liekly be even cheaper, because lets be real, A LOT of people played it not because they liked minions, but because it was broken, and Spiders wont be that anymore.

Spiders indirectly benefit from nerfs.

1. They do not benefit from Unnatural Strength and you are not playing the build as Necromancer anyway. Vice versa if it's not conditional or easy to proc you might use Forbidden Jewels for it.

2. Only 1/5 of Spider builds on poe.ninja use Spectres and therefore can generate charges. Build generally does not rely on charges.

3. Spiders Poison duration got halved, but GGG said minions now dealing rough twice more damage wiht poison meaning it should still be fine for single target meanwhile clearing will be actually better because less poison stacks will be needed to deal same damage.

4. Hydropshere change hurts them though. Extra hit a second was pretty big for 20 entitites.

Honestly, even with the +2 removal from necro it would have gotten away okayish. The charge changes for minions however nerfed them into oblivion.

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RandallPOE wrote:

How many leagues in a row now have we had a minions are dead thread?

Minions were meh for a while. You can say even dead because barely few builds were viable. Now it's just sad.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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RandallPOE wrote:

How many leagues in a row now have we had a minions are dead thread?

because they WERE dead except skele mages and spiders,. now they are pretty much dead too unless you invest a lot

Unless you invest alot is every other skill already though :p so is everyones problem that they nerfed what they want to play or is it that they (GGG) just expect too much investment into a build?

I'm seeing more and more signs that its the latter, players want good performance on the cheap and there are less and less of those available.

Thing is minions were decent (just decent, not strong or anything like that) on the budget and it was their only advantage. Now it's gone. So what do they have? Nothing.

Also high-end is massively nerfed as well. No way new mods on rings and whatnot will be enough to compensate.

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Zeronemo wrote:

Honestly, even with the +2 removal from necro it would have gotten away okayish. The charge changes for minions however nerfed them into oblivion.

Only losing +2 would not be end of the World but indeed other changes happened. Also minions needed buff, not nerf.

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Aynix wrote:

I will share a secret with you.
That was the point of the nerf. For minions to not be completly broken on low budget.
I played Skeleton Mages, I spent less than 20 ex on that build and it was more than enough to easily do evertyhing in the game (ubers didnt exist back then, it was in Scourge league).

Skeleton Mages got a 75% dmg nerf to the skill gem alone.
So congratulations, if you had a decently geared mage build doing ~12 million dps it'll now do ~3 million dps.

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RandallPOE wrote:

How many leagues in a row now have we had a minions are dead thread?

Pretty much every league since like 2014 (not counting last one since no changes)