The One Reason, I think PoE 2 may do better then Diablo 4.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

DI stats are irrelevant

Ah yes, vanity metrics in the millions.

I know I dont come to the PoE boards for business discussions but cmon guys. It's ok for something you dont like to be doing well, its ok for Diablo 4 to be a good game, it's ok if players play more titles beyond PoE.

since bligh this game has been declining and the state of the game has made me like diablo 3 more and more (and this is not an elegy for diablo 3).
The people here on the forum are very deluded, a lot of fanboy, because it was never a really relevant game, it was never among the top 10 of steam normally it is not even among the top 50, today the game has an averege play of 6k, a game literally DEAD. when the league comes out it hits its 150k and 3 days later it's going to be irrelevant and that's WHY I KNOW that Diablo 4 has an advantage over poe2, because of the community play RP mentality that is in fact what holds the online player. grinde by grinde get tired no matter how hard it is to get an item it will dropp and when it dropp, and your brain is taken over by this endophin, you get sick of the game and leave it, which is why the leagues that have more grinde has less retention online players.

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fredjesus1 wrote:

since bligh this game has been declining

im always curious where you people pull these statistics from? becuz if you are looking at numbers on steam you can clearly see they arent declining

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Draegnarrr wrote:

DI stats are irrelevant

Ah yes, vanity metrics in the millions.

I know I dont come to the PoE boards for business discussions but cmon guys. It's ok for something you dont like to be doing well, its ok for Diablo 4 to be a good game, it's ok if players play more titles beyond PoE.

I think you've mistaken my point it had nothing to do with DI's performance its performed as well as I expected it to its to do with whether its relevant in a discussion between D4 and PoE2.

DI has more crossover with Genshin Impact than D4 or PoE was the point.

It also isn't good for some games to do well, they are diseased and they infect everything else. Luckily most don't fall into this category and i'm perfectly happy for an overwhelming majority to be successful.

But for example great game with NFTs? Nope sorry, we'd be paying the price for a decade.

It's not about which game has expansions, they both are going to. It's about which game has the best expansion.

WoW has expansions. Yet hasn't had a good expansion since vanilla.

Also patches have to be what players ask for pvp or pve & rp.

Blizzards problem has never been if they don't have expansions for a successful game. D3 wasn't successful so that doesn't matter, they only had 1 & it wasn't that hyped. D2 however had a better expansion.

WoW hasn't had good expansions & Dragonflight people are seeing as below average as for hype. & the expansions many prior have all had debates worth of not good reviews.

The best answer is which game listens to their players to have a more entertaining expansion per expansion & that depends on the devs or business team to " listen ". Or else you have blizzard who doesn't listen & if they fail again for d4 their entire franchise is going to be trolled.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Astasia wrote:

Blizzard has lost the faith and respect of gamers over the past few years and many people just aren't going to buy it.

I think there is a massive disconnect between what people appear to say, and be outraged about on social media, and the actual realities of people's personal purchase decisons.

It's very cool to hate on Diablo Immortal for example, yet the numbers are strangely quite good. Its seems the vocal minority like to have their voices heard, but overall people just dont give a shit what influencers are yelling about, or what edgy game journalists write. They like what they like.

DI was designed to be a mobile game and designed to appeal to the mobile market, which it undoubtedly succeeded at. The people who are angry about it are the core players, the ones not normally interested in mobile games, the ones likely to purchase D4 or not. Just because a lot of twelves on tablets are enjoying DI for free while a few whales are enjoying spending thousands of dollars to be better than said twelves, doesn't mean Blizzard didn't kick a hornet's nest with long term effects on future core gaming sales.

Blizzard's PC numbers have been plummeting for years, mismanagement of all of their products has repeatedly angered their playerbases, the harassment issues have triggered boycotts, the responses to this negative attention have been abysmal, and their unashamed devolution to mobile was disgusting. As I said D4 is very unlikely to fail, but it is certainly not going to do as well as it could have. At the very least, I have no intention of buying it, and the only other PC ARPG I have passed on in like the past 20 years was Torchlight 3. This is my genre, D4 is exactly the kind of game I should be hyped about, but I just don't want anything to do with Blizzard anymore.

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Astasia wrote:

Blizzard's PC numbers have been plummeting for years, mismanagement of all of their products has repeatedly angered their playerbases, the harassment issues have triggered boycotts, the responses to this negative attention have been abysmal, and their unashamed devolution to mobile was disgusting. As I said D4 is very unlikely to fail, but it is certainly not going to do as well as it could have. At the very least, I have no intention of buying it, and the only other PC ARPG I have passed on in like the past 20 years was Torchlight 3. This is my genre, D4 is exactly the kind of game I should be hyped about, but I just don't want anything to do with Blizzard anymore.

Well we wont know what your personal purchase decison will be on D4, if you actual play or not, but for this post let's just take you at your word. I'm not sure I 100% believe you, but ok.

Basically the larger point you are making on Blizzard...I just have a hard time taking you seriously giving your willingness to support Tencent (which imo is far far worse)

I mean I suppose you do you, but it just seems to be dubious reasoning to put your foot down with Blizzard, while giving Tencent a pass.

Idk I tend to think just let people buy and play what they want, and let's please tone down the outrage and cancel culture mentality, especially if its based on some sort of higher business moral code. It's just a slippery slope to go down with the gaming industry big boys in general(not to mention non-gaming related entities), not exactly operating with pure hearts.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I just have a hard time taking you seriously giving your willingness to support Tencent (which imo is far far worse)

I mean I suppose you do you, but it just seems to be dubious reasoning to put your foot down with Blizzard, while giving Tencent a pass.

Give Tencent a pass for what?

Tencent is a holding company that has done absolutely nothing in this industry other than invest into many western developers and remain completely hands-off. It's funded many indie projects and lifted many medium size studios into the next tier, without interfering whatsoever in the development of any game I can think of. They say and do nothing in the west other than hand out money like candy and ask for a potion of income. How exactly are they "much worse" than Blizzard? And don't give me that paranoid nonsense about them giving your cookies to pooh bear.

Blizzard and Ubisoft are basically pure evil at this point. Tencent and Embrasure on the other hand are completely neutral entities that you never hear anything about except for when they buy something new.

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Astasia wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I just have a hard time taking you seriously giving your willingness to support Tencent (which imo is far far worse)

I mean I suppose you do you, but it just seems to be dubious reasoning to put your foot down with Blizzard, while giving Tencent a pass.

Give Tencent a pass for what?

Tencent is a holding company that has done absolutely nothing in this industry other than invest into many western developers and remain completely hands-off. It's funded many indie projects and lifted many medium size studios into the next tier, without interfering whatsoever in the development of any game I can think of. They say and do nothing in the west other than hand out money like candy and ask for a potion of income. How exactly are they "much worse" than Blizzard? And don't give me that paranoid nonsense about them giving your cookies to pooh bear.

Blizzard and Ubisoft are basically pure evil at this point. Tencent and Embrasure on the other hand are completely neutral entities that you never hear anything about except for when they buy something new.

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