The One Reason, I think PoE 2 may do better then Diablo 4.

Regular updates.



Diablo always does the same thing, you buy it. They put out an expansion or two and then the game just stagnants. The only reason I find POE enjoyable now days is simply because it has regular updates. Most the time I hate everything that is in those updates these days, but it still provides a fresh look just enough to get me to at least brother trying for a week.

Whoever listens to their player base for expansions; wins. For that regard.
However as below average as Dragonflight sounds, blizzard still has regular patches too.

POE is going to be as good as the audience they are trying to gain or maintain.
D4 has a more entertaining world feature list than POE 2. Tho POE has a better track record at fine tuning ARPG's. For story, strategy, or d2 atmosphere.

If POE 2 tries for some out of the box stuff, it'll be better than D4. Or just as good yet more trusted as a business.

Tho blizzard knows how to hype all genres for pc gamer's & poe only knows how to hype their type of player, even if d4 wasn't open world, this would still be true. E for everyone verses A for arpg only.

People write so many suggestions for POE. So I don't know who is studying them. Hope some chinese Tencent agent is also taking forum notes to impress the devs with.

I'd rather POE 2 to win over D4. Tho only if POE 2 tries for some of the bonus road map features d4 has. More importantly, if d4 has a better party system; than POE 2 is going to have to rework its entire method for parties to enjoy themselves, as zoomers aren't a good way for parties to hangout or plan for attacks.

That is why building a game, with half multiplayer options, from a single player perspective doesn't really work well. You either want full single player or full multiplayer, half & half has some merit, tho doesn't synergize good enough yet. So I'd just go full multiplayer or full single player. Regardless of it your world is open, zoned, or else. Pick a team. Obviously most players are booming during the start or leagues due to the lvl 1 party experience, so that's truly the main selling point of this game, the lvl 1 parties. Which also are ruined by people who zoom too fast, to reach maps. Which is ironic of skipping the most popular part of POE. Tho if your a vet I get why you want to just get over with it. Still that's the main popularity feature. Not lvl 1 solo. Tho lvl 1 league start parties, after a few weeks the player numbers drop every league or so I hear.

Different business models... both will do well with their respective business models.

1) Blizzard will launch D4 at a cost of approximately $60-$99 USD and will make a shit-tonne of money upfront. The brand name of Diablo will carry itself. Whether D4 is good or not is to be seen, but even if it is shit like it probably will be, they will walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars.

2) GGG will launch POE 2 for free, will make a moderate amount of money at launch due to new players and features etc that people will want access to. Ultimately, you would expect POE 2 to always be superior to D4 because of the regular updates.

Even if D4 is somehow better at launch, POE2 will quickly surpass it simply due to the nature of ongoing development and will ultimately end up having a greater retention of players long-term, similar to now.

Remember that Diablo 3 is and has been on "life support" for a long time so ofc it doesnt have many updates but it still updates every league and recently added a new end game mode.

So after Diablo 4 releases im pretty sure they have lots of developers to add content and fix bugs asap, they really need Diablo 4 to be a success so they can salvage some of their reputation so im pretty sure im correct on this one.

Also speaking of listening to the player base i feel sometimes blizzard actually does better job with Diablo 3 than GGG does with poe, and my reasoning is that blizzard has changed Diablo 3 because some people asked and it took like 5+ years of everyone from streamers to casuals to forum posters for GGG to make lower tier currency to drop in stacks and other 5+ years to improve the flask piano by adding aditional currency to the game... Before this it was "just increse itemfilter" and "frists and fingers hurt from spamming potions? Too bad!"

I dont know why people want one to fail and the other succeed.

PoE 2 will be fine its basically a PoE expansion.
D4 is more of an unknown.

I hope D4 will be good.

Nothing will be better if they are coordinating leagues/seasons too.
45 days of PoE 2 then 45 days of D4 season rinse repeat.

^ agreed.

Its not a one or the other wins scenario most likely is both do fine, the only question is will either be genuinely huge?

D4 has blizzard brand value crutch and its pretty much guaranteed to sell X copies regardless of its price or quality from name alone. Everything else is a maybe.

PoE2 is more of an unknown but it'll be free and even if shackled to PoE1 still has a whole host of aesthetic and mechanical upgrades at the least that will serve to entice a substantial number of players to try the washing machine cycle.

Both are gonna make plenty of dollar short of a complete F up, D4 will make more because Blizzard are morally bankrupt and have brand value to leverage + most gamers don't really care about quality beyond a certain point. PoE2 has a higher potential but probably a bigger risk.

All i'll say about the OP title is if PoE2 does financially better than D4 GGG made game of the year or Blizzard fucked it up they really aren't an even playing field.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

^ agreed.

Its not a one or the other wins scenario most likely is both do fine, the only question is will either be genuinely huge?

D4 has blizzard brand value crutch and its pretty much guaranteed to sell X copies regardless of its price or quality from name alone. Everything else is a maybe.

PoE2 is more of an unknown but it'll be free and even if shackled to PoE1 still has a whole host of aesthetic and mechanical upgrades at the least that will serve to entice a substantial number of players to try the washing machine cycle.

Both are gonna make plenty of dollar short of a complete F up, D4 will make more because Blizzard are morally bankrupt and have brand value to leverage + most gamers don't really care about quality beyond a certain point. PoE2 has a higher potential but probably a bigger risk.

All i'll say about the OP title is if PoE2 does financially better than D4 GGG made game of the year or Blizzard fucked it up they really aren't an even playing field.

Talking about the Marathon here, not the race. Diablo will of course get big money and lots of players at the start, but will quickly peeter out because it never updates. POE 2 will be the longterm winner here because it has regular updates. Diablo 4 can do as well as it likes, but in the long term it will be a dead game due to the lack of updates.

Marathon Is a different story to be sure, GGG are the best developer in the world at running GaaS as far as i'm concerned, Blizzard are legitimately one of the worst.

You've got the developer that produces the most content per timeframe vs the developer thats taken 5 years to add 3 characters to overwatch with 20x the budget (mild hyperbole but only mild).

This is a no contest comparison to me, if D4 has significant players after 3 months i'll be surprised.

They'll both be fine. Seriously, what's the point of the debate?

But if you're going to seriously compare the two, it probably should be the POE franchise against the Diablo franchise. Diablo 4 will have a main release, and probably several smaller expansions like they did with previous titles. It will go into low level maintenance mode for years, and then be overtaken by Diablo 5, where the cycle will begin again.

The Diablo franchise will just keep going using a model that works well for them. POE will do the same using a model that works well for them.

They don't really compete on the same playing field anymore from my optic. One updates slowly and is more casual. The other updates constantly and changes dramatically in short periods of time. One targets casual players, one targets less casual players.

Sure, they both share the ARPG label, but I feel like their overlap is decreasing with each release. Hell, D4 is an open world game. If anything, it's starting to compete more in the MMORPG realm rather than pure ARPGs. Maybe the main competitor will be WoW? :)

Either way, they'll both be fine, and that's good for everyone.

diablo 4 on release day at best case scenario gonna have 1/10 of the content what PoE have and its still not known if they will even add content in diabnlo 4 after the launch but knowing bli$$ard there will be only dlc and no free content updates every several months so in the end its gonna be just as terrible as diablo 3 you will get only new season with item number changes and nothing else and the worst part is that even after all of this theres still gonna be 10x times more people playing diablo 4 than path of exile becuz bli$$ard have brainwashed their fanbase