3.19 NERFS PREDICTIONS

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RuneLuthien wrote:

6billion dps users

You mean the dude that literally has this character name:



Did you notice him having 1337 life, 420 energy shield and not just 6.9B dps?

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Jodox/JodoxFakeBuildDontCopy?i=0&search=sort%3Ddps


Maybe using poe.ninja to justify stuff isn't that great of an idea but than again most of your ideas are questionable at best.

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Scarletsword wrote:

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RuneLuthien wrote:

6billion dps users

You mean the dude that literally has this character name:



Did you notice him having 1337 life, 420 energy shield and not just 6.9B dps?

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Jodox/JodoxFakeBuildDontCopy?i=0&search=sort%3Ddps


Maybe using poe.ninja to justify stuff isn't that great of an idea but than again most of your ideas are questionable at best.

Ye saw his name.
Scourge Arrow is hitting 500k DoT.
Meanwhile Smite is hitting 144 million dps.

So regardless of the 6 billion guy. 500k dps to 144m is a huge difference. A difference that no other rpg should have between skills or players.

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Gescom wrote:

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TBH the game dies after Act 10 as for story immersion or being excited about less non zoomer styled parties. Tho ye I suppose I'll get to 90+ to find out if that's better than lvl 60 - 86 is. Since multiple 80's wasn't enough.

Also fyi rolled portal mods are not a better feature, than a proper linked Act 11 to Act 20. That's obvious.

Mr Achievement. I asked vets 1 thing, & they haven't answered.

If WoW has a fireball that hits for 1k on normal for all lvl 60's 1k is the norm. Then 1k dmg is the medium for all skills. Roughly speaking. The 1k medium helps with the scaling so the scaling isn't a disaster garbage fire.

Even with that dps medium for all skills. WoW still has too many 1 shots, which gets players to quit WoW forever.

So instead of puffing your chest about how far you've gotten with maps, how about answering the main simple question I asked vets. What's the medium dps numbers per skill?

& then your going to get vets with generic answers like " This game doesn't work like that, it's not about equal scaling " & what they won't say, " It's about finding out which item is op & abusing that item, not equal skill dps ". I'm dead sure skills fighting D4's world bosses are going to have a medium threshold.

Not to mention if 1 player of the party does x100 more dps than another, they are going to kill everything, before the other party members reach the mobs. " The party experience". Making zoomer 1 punch man parties, more of a reason for people to quit after Act 10. I get to join a party & not use a single skill to play the game? Woah gameplay.

Your questions are incoherent which is why no one is answering. <_<

'What's the medium dps numbers per skill?'

Medium? Median? What are you actually asking? Maybe 3-4M DPS is the strong budget median if you're investing like 10ex and are in the low 90s, if you ignore questions of aoe/clear, whether you're sacrificing defense or not, if your dps is burst or sustainable, or actually realizable in a boss fight, and so on.

Comparison to WoW DPS is not apt at all.

But I will agree with you that the PoE multiplayer experience is not good.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

Mr Achievement. I asked vets 1 thing, & they haven't answered.

Probably because you're still trying to justify dumb changes based on poe.ninja and PoB dps numbers but sure, let's use WoW-terms.

What you're currently doing is looking at WoW patchwork simulation dps on a 3 minute fight and trying to use that data to justify buffing dps for healer classes to be on par with rogues.

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Scarletsword wrote:

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RuneLuthien wrote:

Mr Achievement. I asked vets 1 thing, & they haven't answered.

Probably because you're still trying to justify dumb changes based on poe.ninja and PoB dps numbers but sure, let's use WoW-terms.

What you're currently doing is looking at WoW patchwork simulation dps on a 3 minute fight and trying to use that data to justify buffing dps for healer classes to be on par with rogues.

LOL beautiful

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RuneLuthien wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

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RuneLuthien wrote:

6billion dps users

You mean the dude that literally has this character name:



Did you notice him having 1337 life, 420 energy shield and not just 6.9B dps?

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Jodox/JodoxFakeBuildDontCopy?i=0&search=sort%3Ddps


Maybe using poe.ninja to justify stuff isn't that great of an idea but than again most of your ideas are questionable at best.

Ye saw his name.
Scourge Arrow is hitting 500k DoT.
Meanwhile Smite is hitting 144 million dps.

So regardless of the 6 billion guy. 500k dps to 144m is a huge difference. A difference that no other rpg should have between skills or players.

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Gescom wrote:

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TBH the game dies after Act 10 as for story immersion or being excited about less non zoomer styled parties. Tho ye I suppose I'll get to 90+ to find out if that's better than lvl 60 - 86 is. Since multiple 80's wasn't enough.

Also fyi rolled portal mods are not a better feature, than a proper linked Act 11 to Act 20. That's obvious.

Mr Achievement. I asked vets 1 thing, & they haven't answered.

If WoW has a fireball that hits for 1k on normal for all lvl 60's 1k is the norm. Then 1k dmg is the medium for all skills. Roughly speaking. The 1k medium helps with the scaling so the scaling isn't a disaster garbage fire.

Even with that dps medium for all skills. WoW still has too many 1 shots, which gets players to quit WoW forever.

So instead of puffing your chest about how far you've gotten with maps, how about answering the main simple question I asked vets. What's the medium dps numbers per skill?

& then your going to get vets with generic answers like " This game doesn't work like that, it's not about equal scaling " & what they won't say, " It's about finding out which item is op & abusing that item, not equal skill dps ". I'm dead sure skills fighting D4's world bosses are going to have a medium threshold.

Not to mention if 1 player of the party does x100 more dps than another, they are going to kill everything, before the other party members reach the mobs. " The party experience". Making zoomer 1 punch man parties, more of a reason for people to quit after Act 10. I get to join a party & not use a single skill to play the game? Woah gameplay.

Go play the game instead maining PoB and poe.ninja. You will have much better time.

This was a reply to a post, tho I'd rather just make a thread for this.

" Should Determination Be Nerfed in 3.19? "

https://youtu.be/stI3Uol0hYg

This guy just says that too many people use armor, too many use molten shell, too many use determination instead of grace.

I obviously find too many people using shields. & Now I despise Dreamfeather armour stackers & str to dps. Or 1 hand sceptre str stackers.

Also what's the point of double dmg or triple dmg items, seems so cheese. How about not having double damage or triple damage items. How about not, devs.

Game would be better without double or triple dps lame weapons. So over seeing triple dmg staff & double dmg sword for peoples builds, & so done seeing the 3 link purple sword people link frost spells to. Get rid of those weapons.

Are all the top dps builds stack stackers or double to triple dmg weapon users? That's like 4 items making for 60% of the op builds. The heck? If you got 4 to 6 weapons, making most builds jump 100m dps, maybe you should nerf those 4 to 6 weapons. Here's I'll list them for you:

1) Nerf Annihilating Staff, or get rid of it. Stop allowing poe ninja to spam this dumb weapon. Jank triple dmg item ruining fireball diverse builds. I need this item to play fireball? No thanks for your limitation.

2) Nerf Dreamfeather. So what every meta Smite has to use this lame sword? Every melee meta build has to use this sword? Wth? Also who thought stacking a defensive stat, to gain dps, was a good idea? It's not. Nor is stacking generally a good idea, seeing as most op builds are stackers. Armour to dps? Probably the worst stacker option of this game, as for op'ness.


3) Nerf Cospri's Malice Jeweled Foil. Toooooo many people use this. Why does POE have the same 6 weapons EVERYONE for poe ninja is using?!?!?!?!?! Why? I don't understand what the vision board for this was. " Hey guys WoW players really hated Artifact weapons, lets make jank limited build weapons for POE, like Artifact weapons are to WoW ". " Oh while were at it with jank artifact op weapons for poe, how about we make the entire endgame based off WoWs Garrison feature? " some board meeting. Hire me ggg. May not be a coder, tho would be able to list a better endgame that actually retains players. News flash, has nothing to do with portals or zoomers.

4) Nerf Brutus Lead Sprinkler Ritual Sceptre. For cheese str to dps builds. Limits slam builds. Nerf Str to dps builds. Starting with this weapon. Nerf. Str to dps op'ness.

5) Nerf Paradoxica Vaal Rapier. All the spammed meta dps shield builds use this.

Also lame that their are so many shield builds for poe ninja, nerf shields while your at it. Literally the only guys not using a shield are the triple dmg staff & double dmg sword guys. Or else someone dual weilding dreamfeathers. Tho for everyone else, their all using shields & it bothers the heck out of me. Like I won't play shield till POE ninja has 40% less shield users. As for double dmg items, they just seem like brainless no skill items that are too rewarding. Nerf All double dmg to triple dmg items. Also over seeing them spammed. This sword is spammed with every sword build that uses a shield.

6) Nerf The Iron Fortress Crusader Plate. Another dumb Str to Dps item. Go figure. " Here let me just spam str, something any toddler is able to manage via the tree or item remembrance. " 1 dimensional builds for str stacking & they hit the highest dps, mkay. Such a " Item diverse " & " Skill tree diverse " game. *rolls eyes* not really.

So far everyone for this site, spams the same 10 skills or less & spams the same 10 items or less. Yet I get this site doesn't register everyone fairly. Still nerfs required.

I'm pretty sure I'm right about the stat stackers being op. Tho as for double or triple dmg items, I don't know, kinda unsure if those are op or not, still not a fan of what they represent. Or how often I see them.

Your rudimentary analysis of PoE.Ninja while not actually playing the game continues to be half baked. Archnem and Sentinel had essentially identical balance and yet the meta between the two leagues is wildly different if you analyze PoE.Ninja. What conclusions do you draw from that?

Annihilating Light. They probably won't nerf this item that is brand new and drops from the new bosses. It's not so much of a problem but you're right that people should keep an eye on it over time.

Armour will definitely be nerfed. You probably don't need to touch Dreamfeather as a result.

Cospri's is used by 1% of players at the start of a league up to 2% by now. I actually think it's that high because CoC Ice is actually just an insanely unique and fun way to play. Lots of people who try this build get hooked and play it multiple times because of how dope it is. It's not necessarily OP (but Occultist might be!).

Brutus Lead Sprinkler, Iron Fortress, Str Stacking -- recombinators are an insane boon to stat stacking (check astramentis in archnem vs necks in sentinel). Probably don't need to do anything when sentinel isn't going core. Either way, these uniques aren't the problem here if you believe str stacking was OP (lots of people use one or the other or neither), IMO its the Iron Will keystone is a bit too strong.

Paradoxica -- 2Hers are underpowered. Probably lots of melee changes coming in the patch. You do likely want to keep a strong unique of some kind in Betrayal. There are numerous options here and you don't need to touch it. (and GGG hasn't since its been around for many years)

don't encourage them!! :p

Apparently the manifesto is already done so we should get it early next week then the predictions can be seen!

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Gescom wrote:

Your rudimentary analysis of PoE.Ninja while not actually playing the game continues to be half baked. Archnem and Sentinel had essentially identical balance and yet the meta between the two leagues is wildly different if you analyze PoE.Ninja. What conclusions do you draw from that?

Annihilating Light. They probably won't nerf this item that is brand new and drops from the new bosses. It's not so much of a problem but you're right that people should keep an eye on it over time.

Armour will definitely be nerfed. You probably don't need to touch Dreamfeather as a result.

Cospri's is used by 1% of players at the start of a league up to 2% by now. I actually think it's that high because CoC Ice is actually just an insanely unique and fun way to play. Lots of people who try this build get hooked and play it multiple times because of how dope it is. It's not necessarily OP (but Occultist might be!).

Brutus Lead Sprinkler, Iron Fortress, Str Stacking -- recombinators are an insane boon to stat stacking (check astramentis in archnem vs necks in sentinel). Probably don't need to do anything when sentinel isn't going core. Either way, these uniques aren't the problem here if you believe str stacking was OP (lots of people use one or the other or neither), IMO its the Iron Will keystone is a bit too strong.

Paradoxica -- 2Hers are underpowered. Probably lots of melee changes coming in the patch. You do likely want to keep a strong unique of some kind in Betrayal. There are numerous options here and you don't need to touch it. (and GGG hasn't since its been around for many years)

Well thanks for the real reply.

Everyone else just kinda rolled their eyes.

Good explanation. Nothing to add, guess more to learn.