Why do you keep nerfing fun every league?

Dunno where the disconnect is, maybe it's simply the things that still perform are performing at a different level than they used to. For some it's important and for some it isn't because the gameplay itself doesn't change much regardless of where you are, hell, it might even be worse at the top end.

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

So overall I think we like the same thing about the game, but I am not sure where the disconnect lies between our perceptions of it, so we can agree to disagree at least.

That we can, as the shadow says when he kills maligaro "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like".

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

Can you please elaborate on how diminished choice, greater room for error and mechanics that exist primarily to artificially extend play time made the game more interactive for you?

"You have to fiddle with it more to get things going at the base level" is probably the short version. They pulled down a lot of the micromanagement from the top to bottom, it isn't necessarily a good or bad thing, it's just one way to skin a cat and you either like it or your don't.

Well, planning a build, fine tuning it and then acquiring the items for it (ideally self crafted) is my favorite part of the game. However, I see a lot of the recent shifts in GGG design ideology introduce barriers for players that hinder the transition between planning and execution. Its one of the reasons I got burned out on the league treadmill. This isn't my job, its my hobby and consistently not being able to realize my vision for a build or not being able to experience end game content because the goalposts keep getting moved closer and closer to professional play is very frustrating.

Fundamentally I don't feel the developers respect my time at all, be it through intentionally tedious design that Chris for some reason calls 'opportunity costs' or how end game focused everything is, which renders everything else just a tedious slog before you get to experience the thing you are actually here for.

So overall I think we like the same thing about the game, but I am not sure where the disconnect lies between our perceptions of it, so we can agree to disagree at least.

I completely agree. I don't want the D3 Ah experience yet this game has all of its negatives and none of the positive of the D3 AH. The game has become basically unplayable for me. i cant access endgame content in solo self found. so i have moved on and taken my wallet with me.

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trixxar wrote:

Their target is streamers, and they are making it more fun/crazy for streamers.

With the crazy archnemesis mods, lots of good times on HC streams.

I think they have calculated that most MTX comes either from whales who pay every league no matter what, or from new players who got turned on to PoE from a stream and will happily buy MTX to get to Act 7 then quit.

Thats not a slam or insult to GGG, its a business model evaluation.

As a streamer I can say this is not the case. I don't have a huge subscriber base (Still struggling to hit the 100k mark and a long way off) but I can tell you that this league has caused my channel to be flooded with negative comments about how this league is the final straw. 1635 comments from individual accounts so far. Every league you get the standard "They nerfed this" or "they messed this up" comment but this league has been a nightmare for me.

For the people who say they like getting stuck in white maps because it makes the experience take longer and prolongs the fun: Why don't you just play off-meta? Or SSF? Or HC?

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

For the people who say they like getting stuck in white maps because it makes the experience take longer and prolongs the fun: Why don't you just play off-meta? Or SSF? Or HC?

Because it makes too much sense. I stopped trying to make sense of people who don't grasp the idea of difficulties such as HC, SSF or HC SSF.

I personally think those that want the regular player base to needlessly suffer a punishing game have some self loathing masochistic need to see everyone fail.

Even if GGG made an [Uber] difficulty, these same people would hang out in [normal] difficulty demanding our difficulty be much harder.

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

For the people who say they like getting stuck in white maps because it makes the experience take longer and prolongs the fun: Why don't you just play off-meta? Or SSF? Or HC?

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but for me it's a matter of what the wall is built of.
When you go SSF you're restricting your building space just to what can be bruteforced or deterministically acquired, no matter how well you play, there are sometimes very common and trivial things you can't expect to have. What it effectively does is locks you to things that work out of the box and that you can count on, until you have the tools to do something else, which might happen to be something you're interested in, or it might not.
On the other hand, when the hurdle comes from the content being harder, you still have the full options at your disposal, but some are getting softlocked by being worse than others. The big difference is that using them despite it, or not, is a decision you're making, not the game.

I did play self-enforced ssf before we had a separate league for it, and it wasn't a bad way to play, I wasn't playing challenge leagues and accumulating gear until you get the pieces for something was fun, the chance to drop something you actually want to build around was more realistic back then too. Then, the leagues got better, I started playing and realized that making a throwaway character to farm with until I get something I want often took a while. Sometimes I wasn't even feeling like making a new char after it, and probably didn't have the time for the whole waltz with my casual investment.

Anyway, the builds, in expedition it was an honest to god tectonic + firestorm tools of virtue inquisitor, really liked that one despite how clunky it was and how pointless the melee half felt. Then in scourge it was EK + phantasms hybrid caster/summoner, then in AN it was triple dot cyclone... trickster and now I'm playing freeze pulse tornado. I'll also add that I'm transitioning into the final setup as early as theoretically possible, leveling setups are for those that aren't able to smell roses (or farts), and that I consider tabula an extremely dumb bandaid item that shouldn't exist.

As you can see, I'm trying my very best not to fall asleep before red maps there. Gauntlets are always a blast, real buttclenchers and not many people are playing so it isn't hard to get some goodies. I also enjoyed the much maligned delirium everywhere, yeah, the one where you couldn't kill monsters in act 1 prison.

There, you got the full story, probably didn't ask for it, but I feel that it isn't a simple yes/no/maybe answer, people usually have their own reasons to want something.

I copy paste my comment from patch notes here :
Just note that i only play games on HC / SSFHC, i have no problems with deaths, i have lost a lot of chars, it's part of the trip and you always learn something, but in this 3.18 path there's nothing to learn, the game is just stupid and a total non sense :

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"We didnt changed anything this patch, no buffs, no nerfs, all what you did in 3.17 will be fine" (but we litteraly changed all the monsters mods which is, in this case and stupid vision, a fucking huge buff for them)

I never complained about the last patches nerfs to players but now that is TOO MUCH

As a SSFHC player i stop playing right now to this garbage balance and vision of the game.
Juggernaut lvl85, molten shell, max all res 79+, endurances charges, 25k armor, 100% spell suppress, 6.5k life, stun and freeze immunity, shock mitigated, 60% reduced critical strikes from enemies etc... etc... etc...

Litteraly destroyed in 0.2 seconds encountering a blue pack on a T4 map.

Will never support this masochist and stupid game and Chris vision anymore.

Bye
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This game has become so stupid that for the second league in a row, i deleted my char after 8 days.

Game over, nothing to see here anymore

Archnemesis is just a constant annoyance. Every single map there are 5 or 6 Gargantuan, stormstrider, rejuvenating, ailment immune rares that just constantly spawn lightning mirages under your feet every .75 seconds.


News flash GGG .5 or .75 makes no difference. It's just an annoying bullshit mod for any build that doesn't deal full damage while moving.

Also it's the literal 1 mod that makes you need to stare at your characters feet the entire map, every single map, because they will spawn them under you from rooms away.

Nothing about archnemesis going core in this state made any part of the game better.