This end game grind is excruciating and I don't like it.

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Bosscannon wrote:

I want it to scale with investment. But at a glance this builds celeing is not much higher than its floor.

Oh and a dreadbeak is outperformed by 2 mod wand on that build so how is it a dreadbeak build?

The ceiling with better gear is slightly above 3 mill dps, without eldritch mods. Adding those would maybe contribute another 0.5 mill.
Thats plenty to take on everything including Uber Elder and Maven.


But yeah getting a better wand for singletarget would be easy.
Getting a better weapon for speedfarming is not and thats what I would use this weapon for. The suggested build would benefit from perma Adrenaline and perma Onslaught, resulting in speed only a Raider could match while being tanky by SC standards and using mediocre gear.

Thats what Im looking for when Im creating a league starter.
This build would easily dominate maps, unlock everything and farm tons of currency while requiring next to zero investment to get it off the ground.


It has its place and its a good build, its just not a dedicated bosskiller and thats fine.

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LiMA6 wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

The top percentage do not contribute nearly as much as some are trying to proclaim here, without casuals the game would die period.

some of you need to learn some respect for other people, why on earth would anyone listen to someone constantly using toxic terms to describe others.


Call the majority of the user base useless/losers/casuals/plebs/noobs/and much much worse and then expect them to react in a way you want.

i could not think of something much dumber than that so anyone propagating that stupidity is literally the antithesis of "good" at anything.

The top percentage don't contribute much at all. Just profit over the rest.

IDK if im top percentage, but I do earn off casuals plenty. If I don't earn as much thru decent league mechanics, ill just flip (people price fix, i enjoy the ride) and make casuals life miserable. Guess what, idc. GGG you can just make league more enjoyable so i can focus more playing the game than flipping.

Casuals become better players, all im really concerned with here is that GGG is making their route to becoming better as smooth as possible within reason keeping in mind what game we're playing here.

Looking down on new players is hypocrisy imo, if you're good then great.. Your input could really be of great help in a lot of topics especially concerning those where casuals are coming into play specifically providing end-game perspective and in many cases not only helping these people but entirely eliminating their future topics about some things.

Some of the topics have merit, i think a lot of topics on the difficulty and gating of casual players have some validity lately but the concern for me isnt my gameplay experience but again wanting to make sure that in the future PoE Grows instead of shooing away potential players.

So in that alone can we agree that the route needs to be there? but beyond that route that's where the support for casuals end and then real end-game content not intended for your average player starts coming into play and even further beyond that content which is literally intended only for the 1% of the player base skilled enough to complete it.

Agree or Disagree we both likely want the game to do well.

First of all, calling one casual isn't disrespect, the word exists because that's what they are. Respectfully speaking -- Is there anything wrong calling one physically disabled a cripple? (look up george carlin) Things are what they are. Shorter is easier. If you don't play much and don't take this game seriously, you're a casual. Nothing disrespectful.

Now, all I had wanted to say was, when rich aren't rich enough, they will just profit off casuals. Had always worked that way. If you're getting enough exalts from map, and are able to sustain your ridiculously expensive crafts without profiting off casuals, then there would not be a need to profit off casuals.

Since GGG wanna make game bad, ill make casual life sad and watch em post im done messages.

while i agree on the causal part (that it isnt insulting)

saying crippled is ok,is wrong imo
disabled seems to be the right word for it

i could be wrong on this though
first english is my 3rd language and second even though i´m slightly handycaped i have no idea how a real disabled person would feel on this

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LiMA6 wrote:

First of all, calling one casual isn't disrespect, the word exists because that's what they are.

Stop pretending that you people don't intentionally use it as a form of disrespect, because you absolutely do.

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Marxone wrote:

My problem with grind is that when I do just something random, i get about 1-2c per map.

If I do something specific, where I am supposed to get about 10c per map according to guides and all, I get 1-2c per map :D

And if you rely on big drops, how fun it is getting 1 Exalted orb every 8-9 days.
Being on non-streamer loot seed is just a pure sadness.

this is a knowledge problem. Either you are doing the strategies wrong, or you simply dont know whats valuable

You are mistaking 10c per map with assorted stuff worth around 10c per map when and if it sells. Also assuming you sell in bulk, use tft, and do crafting for profit.

Also note that there are 2 schools of thought when it comes to mapping. One is to try being as fast as possible staying focused on boss drops, bossing and boss maps (elder, shaper, conq , synth). With this strat the bulc profit comes from selling the special maps or doing the encounters yourself. Bossing profits get smaller and smaller as the league progresses and more and more skewed towards jackpot drops. The profits from selling the maps are tied to speculation about the possible boss profits. See Path of Math. Also boss services if you are a god. ARE you a god? Inquisitive Norscan minds need to know...

The other is all about the sauusee, baby. Stick 2-5 league mechanics augmented by scarabs and cyric, and invested on in the atlas on a influenced t16 with 80+ quant and 25+ packsize slammed with 4 sextants (you may even need some specific ones) and be ready to spend half an hour on 1 map. Trust me, you'll loot much more than 10c from 1 map, just don't ask me for the ex/h ratio.

You sound extremely low effort and your profile shows that. If you don't want to take time to learn and research, then you should go and play a casual game like Diablo.

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jaytea89 wrote:

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LiMA6 wrote:

First of all, calling one casual isn't disrespect, the word exists because that's what they are.

Stop pretending that you people don't intentionally use it as a form of disrespect, because you absolutely do.

OK if we go your way -- What's more respectful wording for casual? I cannot think of one. Does rookie work? IDK, i feel casual is most respectful and meaningful.

"The first 2 were like 12 hours in"
So... you are telling me you have the power to reach T16 in 12 hours (whether it's league start's tough environment or later) but you have to put a week to finish maven and uber elder?

The very few thing I can agree with you is no one likes dying from some BS in the game. And yes trading sometimes sucks especially the league progress and player are quitting over time.
The very first reply to this post is absolutely correct. You start with a strong character and then you can do some build you want to. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I also think this is bad. Hear me out: I level'd 6 character and put a few hundred regrets to reroll into another build when I don't have to level up another one, basically I played 6 characters and 8 builds (1deleted). While 3 of them are strong build and others are some experimental meme build. But I don't start with them, because I know it requires some currency to start up (And it's still bad because it's just experimental). I hated this trend of meta starting builds are a must for league start at first, but if the game isn't changing in 3 months YOU have to change. I started with explosive concoction in 3.15 and after a few days of pain I just decided to switch into SST. (And still quitted after few more weeks because the league just drained me)
Hate to put it this way, but if you keep having that stubborn idea of "I want to start with my favorite build even it's not meta and it's going to end bad" you are not going anywhere.

Your method to approach the game are probably just wrong. Especially after this whole siege of the atlas update. It used to be way worse and we all knew it. Farming 32 watchstones are stupid, and after maven update you have to get 32 AND THEN get 32 craftable watchstone? That's even more stupid.
Every friend that I knew who played this league had greater success then before. No matter they are experienced or relatively new to PoE. There are way too many methods to get currency to get your character going.

Can't even reply to every point you made because if you are that stubborn over "meta build sucks I don't wanna play them just to get me going" we can't start talking.

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Bracks_ZA wrote:

You sound extremely low effort and your profile shows that. If you don't want to take time to learn and research, then you should go and play a casual game like Diablo.

Depends on what Diablo game you refer to...

Diablo 2 was not so casual...

What a massive amount of imaginary problems has been raised here.

The funniest/most sad thing I noticed in this post is how biased and sure of themselves (best combo ) the most ignorant people can be :)


To the OP : if you can't handle it, don't play it. If you don't want to activate your brain, don't play it.

Wanting everything but making any intellectual """effort""" ? Oh what an idea !