Maven's Invitation: The Elderslayers and boss killing at all

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moonretealoud wrote:

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xX999Xx wrote:

I am out of here

Thank you for participating. Really illustrative examples were given, which show that in the current form, these fights are very dependent on randomness, and not on the player.

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SquareCubiC wrote:

people on HCSSF can do it

Argument indirectly being the cause of the dispute.
They don't play hcssf with the builds they want, only meta GIGACHAD builds that have a huge defense and broken dps (like DD ignite in the last league, EA ignite in this one).

And the fact that the conditional Doryani Prototype cannot protect itself from lightning degen in any way (except for converting 50% into chaos and reducing damage from degen) is not important, is there the same build that does not use it, and play it right?
The fact that pure dodge builds are also very vulnerable to damage over time is not important, because there is another build that has wild regen.
The fact that non-overlap builds have meager damage because they are balanced at skill levels that can overlap doesn't matter, just play the meta.

You can't even imagine how many interesting build concepts I created went to the trash simply because they are multiple times inferior to meta skills because of their mechanics.

hmm, yea, boneshatter, so broken dude...
look at HCSSF and how people do not only play those meta builds.
it is an easily said (yet made up) argument to go with and say "yea, they all use broken interactions and meta stuff"

Jungroan for example kills those encounters on spectral helix variations...
i dunno, if i wanted to keep my eyes shut and focus on "UtTeRlY BrOkEn BuIlDs" yea, i can understand why you see that. but reality is, there is build diversity that can clear all/ certain content, and people who understand the game, see that.
No offense intended, but complaining for the sake of complaining is what kills games, look at destiny 2, look at diablo, look at all those games where the devs were ran over with "feedback" and how the games went to sh*t.

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You can't even imagine how many interesting build concepts I created went to the trash simply because they are multiple times inferior to meta skills because of their mechanics.

like, seriously, how inferior? so what? if it gets the job done, those are good builds (given that the player skill is euqally existant)

how does my EK build care whether there is EA totems!? not at all lol
i chose EK because my EK Inquisitor has a ton of potential, but it's not meta, so what!? does it overlap? nope!
Does it clear fast, in theory yes
does it deal good single target, in theory, yes
will see later today, since i am levelling that right now.



Those damn EA totems dude, they break my build...

and i had to skip on defenses so much...
this game is literally unplayable...


you know what teaches you the most about the game?
actually playing the game, rather than watching certain streamers or youtube guides (lol)


Sidenote: there is no such thing as "meta GIGACHAD builds"
the term Meta cuck exists for a reason :>
And speaking of Chad, yea really sucks that even Mathil relies on those metabuilds, every single league in the past years!!!

I just completed an Elderslayers run.

I died 4 times, however. I don't normally mind dying, so long as I know why I've died.

In this map, I wasn't really sure. I suspect it had something to do with Veritania's ice tornado and my standing in it. The problem is, unlike when I fight Veritania on her own, I couldn't tell in the Elderslayer fight exactly where the ice tornado was.

It looked like I was standing on normal ground—in this case the "eye" of the tornado I suppose—and then just falling over dead for no obvious reason.

It's possible I never stood in her ice tornado at all, but I don't really know how I couldn't have, given how it moves around in her normal fight.

It's also possible it was the combination of them all hitting me at once in an apparent one shot, but it didn't feel like that to me. I think it had to have been some other source of damage that I just couldn't determine.

I'll have to run it again and try to pay more attention to the mechanics, assuming they really are sufficiently telegraphed.

However, I'll agree that aside from Baran's tiles (which are always annoying but avoidable) everything just seemed to be a chaotic mess.

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SquareCubiC wrote:

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moonretealoud wrote:

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xX999Xx wrote:

I am out of here

Thank you for participating. Really illustrative examples were given, which show that in the current form, these fights are very dependent on randomness, and not on the player.

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SquareCubiC wrote:

people on HCSSF can do it

Argument indirectly being the cause of the dispute.
They don't play hcssf with the builds they want, only meta GIGACHAD builds that have a huge defense and broken dps (like DD ignite in the last league, EA ignite in this one).

And the fact that the conditional Doryani Prototype cannot protect itself from lightning degen in any way (except for converting 50% into chaos and reducing damage from degen) is not important, is there the same build that does not use it, and play it right?
The fact that pure dodge builds are also very vulnerable to damage over time is not important, because there is another build that has wild regen.
The fact that non-overlap builds have meager damage because they are balanced at skill levels that can overlap doesn't matter, just play the meta.

You can't even imagine how many interesting build concepts I created went to the trash simply because they are multiple times inferior to meta skills because of their mechanics.

hmm, yea, boneshatter, so broken dude...
look at HCSSF and how people do not only play those meta builds.
it is an easily said (yet made up) argument to go with and say "yea, they all use broken interactions and meta stuff"

Jungroan for example kills those encounters on spectral helix variations...
i dunno, if i wanted to keep my eyes shut and focus on "UtTeRlY BrOkEn BuIlDs" yea, i can understand why you see that. but reality is, there is build diversity that can clear all/ certain content, and people who understand the game, see that.
No offense intended, but complaining for the sake of complaining is what kills games, look at destiny 2, look at diablo, look at all those games where the devs were ran over with "feedback" and how the games went to sh*t.

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You can't even imagine how many interesting build concepts I created went to the trash simply because they are multiple times inferior to meta skills because of their mechanics.

like, seriously, how inferior? so what? if it gets the job done, those are good builds (given that the player skill is euqally existant)

how does my EK build care whether there is EA totems!? not at all lol
i chose EK because my EK Inquisitor has a ton of potential, but it's not meta, so what!? does it overlap? nope!
Does it clear fast, in theory yes
does it deal good single target, in theory, yes
will see later today, since i am levelling that right now.



Those damn EA totems dude, they break my build...

and i had to skip on defenses so much...
this game is literally unplayable...


you know what teaches you the most about the game?
actually playing the game, rather than watching certain streamers or youtube guides (lol)


Sidenote: there is no such thing as "meta GIGACHAD builds"
the term Meta cuck exists for a reason :>
And speaking of Chad, yea really sucks that even Mathil relies on those metabuilds, every single league in the past years!!!

Nice 10 mirror gear and being a POB warrior lmao. How about you record a video and see if you can do it deathless? Anyone can tick options in POB and look good until you actually had to fight the boss lol. Even my 1 mil dps lightning arrow character (per barrage, not including shotgunning)does shit dps when you had to actually dodge stuff.

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Shadowgaze wrote:

Nice 10 mirror gear and being a POB warrior lmao. How about you record a video and see if you can do it deathless? Anyone can tick options in POB and look good until you actually had to fight the boss lol. Even my 1 mil dps lightning arrow character (per barrage, not including shotgunning)does shit dps when you had to actually dodge stuff.

guess why i picked inquisitor...
shit uptime of your damage = shit dmg
yea, what else is new, that's why i went for instruments of zeal, to increase my uptime thanks to the 75% MORE cast speed...

also, 10 mirror gear? dude, i play(ed) 11 characters this league so far, trust me, i dont casually throw mirror gear on them lol, i might as well just go play minions or aurastacker if i wanted to trivialize content lol.

yea, being a pob warrior totally makes sense, to convolute my own build, for myself, so i end up noticing i tricked myself... like, wtf.
i havent set anything special, even tho i got brittle boots and other fancy stuff, yet i didnt set them up in pob, because why should i, the only thing, you can say, is that the damage number is when instruments of zeal is up, but thats basically 70ish % of the time, so still i am fine with that number lol

and not gonna lie, 1 mil LA is nothing to brag about is it? ;)
ofc it feels bad if you dont have anything like pen working your way.
but yea, the game actually become "challenging" when you cant cheese the mechanics, isnt that funny? sad many things ggg and chris announced for 3.15 were actually revoked within 2 leagues tho and we have huge power creep again :(

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SquareCubiC wrote:

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Shadowgaze wrote:

Nice 10 mirror gear and being a POB warrior lmao. How about you record a video and see if you can do it deathless? Anyone can tick options in POB and look good until you actually had to fight the boss lol. Even my 1 mil dps lightning arrow character (per barrage, not including shotgunning)does shit dps when you had to actually dodge stuff.

guess why i picked inquisitor...
shit uptime of your damage = shit dmg
yea, what else is new, that's why i went for instruments of zeal, to increase my uptime thanks to the 75% MORE cast speed...

also, 10 mirror gear? dude, i play(ed) 11 characters this league so far, trust me, i dont casually throw mirror gear on them lol, i might as well just go play minions or aurastacker if i wanted to trivialize content lol.

yea, being a pob warrior totally makes sense, to convolute my own build, for myself, so i end up noticing i tricked myself... like, wtf.
i havent set anything special, even tho i got brittle boots and other fancy stuff, yet i didnt set them up in pob, because why should i, the only thing, you can say, is that the damage number is when instruments of zeal is up, but thats basically 70ish % of the time, so still i am fine with that number lol

and not gonna lie, 1 mil LA is nothing to brag about is it? ;)
ofc it feels bad if you dont have anything like pen working your way.
but yea, the game actually become "challenging" when you cant cheese the mechanics, isnt that funny? sad many things ggg and chris announced for 3.15 were actually revoked within 2 leagues tho and we have huge power creep again :(

[Removed by Support] You've started to put words in my mouth right there too lmao. No one mentioned cheesing at all but there you go. I'm literally talking about my dps based on each barrage WITHOUT shotgunning. Also like you said, shit uptime = shit dps and that leads to undoable content and you just proved that OP is right.

[Removed by Support] Also show me your full POB configs and your gameplay vids in those invitations in a video i double dare you.

Also let me add that if anything I want GGG to add even more buffs and powercreep for us so these fights would actually feel fair lmao

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Shadowgaze wrote:

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SquareCubiC wrote:

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Shadowgaze wrote:

Nice 10 mirror gear and being a POB warrior lmao. How about you record a video and see if you can do it deathless? Anyone can tick options in POB and look good until you actually had to fight the boss lol. Even my 1 mil dps lightning arrow character (per barrage, not including shotgunning)does shit dps when you had to actually dodge stuff.

guess why i picked inquisitor...
shit uptime of your damage = shit dmg
yea, what else is new, that's why i went for instruments of zeal, to increase my uptime thanks to the 75% MORE cast speed...

also, 10 mirror gear? dude, i play(ed) 11 characters this league so far, trust me, i dont casually throw mirror gear on them lol, i might as well just go play minions or aurastacker if i wanted to trivialize content lol.

yea, being a pob warrior totally makes sense, to convolute my own build, for myself, so i end up noticing i tricked myself... like, wtf.
i havent set anything special, even tho i got brittle boots and other fancy stuff, yet i didnt set them up in pob, because why should i, the only thing, you can say, is that the damage number is when instruments of zeal is up, but thats basically 70ish % of the time, so still i am fine with that number lol

and not gonna lie, 1 mil LA is nothing to brag about is it? ;)
ofc it feels bad if you dont have anything like pen working your way.
but yea, the game actually become "challenging" when you cant cheese the mechanics, isnt that funny? sad many things ggg and chris announced for 3.15 were actually revoked within 2 leagues tho and we have huge power creep again :(

[Removed by Support] You've started to put words in my mouth right there too lmao. No one mentioned cheesing at all but there you go. I'm literally talking about my dps based on each barrage WITHOUT shotgunning. Also like you said, shit uptime = shit dps and that leads to undoable content and you just proved that OP is right.

[Removed by Support] Also show me your full POB configs and your gameplay vids in those invitations in a video i double dare you.

i didnt put any words in your mouth, throwing several mirrors on a build is trivializing content => cheesing the game...
unless you are so bad at this game, that funding a build with mirrors lets you still struggle with yellow map bosses, lol.

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Shadowgaze wrote:

Also let me add that if anything I want GGG to add even more buffs and powercreep for us so these fights would actually feel fair lmao

the fights are fair, they demand nothing more than being able to compile a suitable build and actually know what you are doing, as you are supposed to do.

i mean, obviously, if you roll them without paying attention which mods are doable for your build and which are not, yea, those fights are a pain.
but if you tell me, that you struggle with the invitations blue, or even white, dude, nothing much i can add here, except for "dude, the problem isnt the fight, it is the player" which is in most cases the actual reason.
it is pretty much the same thing with your every day map mods, people being like "ahhh wheee ggg please remove reflect i keep killing myself because i dont pay attention"
which basically translates to the invitations "ggg make those fights easier, buff us, i cant even beat an invitation with 40% inc life, 300% crit chance, 380% crit multi and 80% atk and cast speed on my league starter that has awful gear but i am following some random build guide and this guy beats all endgame with that build"
except for the fact, that most people who complain about invitations dont even pay attention to those mods, nor do they know the limits of their characters in terms of offence and defence.
the concept of having differnt builds for different contents is nothing new, there has pretty much always been that idea of having a mapper, a bosser, and labrunner etc.

if you want a one-trick-pony, go play diablo 3 and get the set from the season journey, trivialize the content, and be bored out after 8h of gameplay lol

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Shadowgaze, i honestly have to question your qualification to argue about this topic anyway, so far, you have killed one elderslayer this league.
last league your biggest accomplishment was to full clear a map.
How come you join a discussion about something you have not tried yourself?
what makes you qualified to talk about and criticize something you actually do not know?
you have seen a streamer or youtuber complain about it? seen a reddit post about the game pulling a meanie on the players?
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Also show me your full POB configs and your gameplay vids in those invitations in a video i double dare you.

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just a hint tho, and this one's for free.
slapping a bottled faith and dying sun in a build doesnt make it a good build (speaking of PoB warrior right there btw, Mr. 1.2 mil DPS (when flasks are active lol)), since relying on unique flasks in boss encounters as deadeye is kinda, well, difficult, you didnt go for flask mods on the belt or tree either.
not that it matters yet, but once you actually reach the endgame, you will see what i mean, [Removed by Support]

definitely doable, but require's tactics and burst dps,
1. dont run the mod "release all at once"

2. pick priority target, for me = baran > veritania/ alhezmin > drox

3. burst it down with flask,

first fight I die when veritania and alhezmin kills me, but I already killed baran, the rest of the fight is tedious, especially those veritania "MACHINEGUN" and hezmin even SPITS on you,

and the rest is kinda manageable, I'll play BS miner possible only 2m dps, not really big, just roll and be caution.

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ruleshellz wrote:

veritania "MACHINEGUN" and hezmin even SPITS on you

this part in particular, depending on their positions, run in circles and avoid both their projectiles.
unless you have grasping vines (which is not possible of course) moving is the key to avoid the projectiles, once you know how to dance, you will not unlearn it :)

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SquareCubiC wrote:

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Shadowgaze wrote:

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Lmao having lvl 100 or not is irrelevant to how much knowledge i have in game and is more on how time you're willing to spend on grinding it, and this shows that you're the one overestimating how much you know about the game.

And you know, if you want to stalk my progress, please at least try to understand that I have a life and a job and there's also other games that have got my attention to not play this game as much. [Removed by Support] I quitted the league too in expedition and I have only reached white maps because I quickly lost interest due to the nerfs and only wanted to try out the league mechanic. Does this also means that I'm a bad player, or just a player (among the many, stats don't lie) that simply didn't agree with the changes?

Also, [Removed by Support]



Here is my POB config with flasks off, only relying on reliable sources like frenzy charge on marked enemies, and flasks with charges on crit that makes my onslaught flasks uptime decent.

Look here, without Dying Sun and Bottled Faith I'm still getting 1 mil at least. And the fact that you said you did not put words in my mouth is also a lie since I have never ever said that my build is good enough to burst down the invitations in any way. Now where's yours?

Also the fact that you're even defending reflect mods is hilarious at best. People hate it because it literally adds nothing other than bricking your map or making people slap on Sybils and Yugul soul. Forcing others to reroll their map isn't a challenge bro lmao.

Thankfully many have agreed with OP [Removed by Support] Try as hard as you want, your arguments just doesn't add up at all, [Removed by Support]