So if you can't defeat the 4 end game bosses for voidstone...
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It's a tradition at this point for crybabies to whine on poe forums post league launch. It doesn't even matter what the changes are, even if they are good. The focus is on whatever one Thinks to be a negative and then it's just a matter of complaining enough to get the bandwagon rolling.
The "this game is for streamers only, now" routine seems to have an easy fix, as well. Become a streamer and you are out of excuses. :D |
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Honestly, I think the reason so many people can't do the Maven is because the fight is such a clusterfuck of monochrome visual spam that it's just completely unfun to learn. Hence, most of us never do it. Hence, it's hard.
Shaper has attention checks, arena management mechanics, and quick kill skills, and it's not a fight you hear people complain about anywhere near as much. It's usually pretty clear when you screw up, and generally not difficult to figure out why. With Maven you hit the dirt (because her one-shot mechanics are substantially harder than Sirus'), and wonder which of the same-colored beams/balls/things did what to you that you died so quickly. On top of that the memory game and spinning beams force you to visit the entirety of the arena you've had to manage until that point (fish memory aside), which is a very punishing mechanic that'll nail you for errors that happened quite a while ago in the fight. In most other fights, errors punish you relatively fast, which ironically feels much fairer. Sirus had several iterations of changes. The idiotic storms have been changed to the point that now they actively move away from you as you transition between phases. Maven's going to need some serious looking at and get a similar treatment or it's going to have an even lower participation rate than Sirus. Even getting to her is more of a chore than Sirus is. On the other hand, with Awakened gems gated behind her, I expect the Writs to sell for some serious cash, since the people who have mastered the fight are going to make a killing with them. Maven-exclusive awakened gems will sell 2-5x their current prices (totally random prediction based on nothing but my gut feeling). I don't understand why they removed the Awakened gems from Sirus tbh. They could have added them to the Maven and left Sirus and the conquerors as is. If Sirus is easier to get gems from, the price of the fragments will reflect it in the open market anyway so it'll balance out. |
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As for the Maven, I suggest coming up with a mnemonic for the memory game. I whistle the chromatic scale, for instance. (Do - Left, Mi - Right, Sol - Top). Fight itself isn't that hard. Manage the degens and have decent enough defenses to not get gunned down by "cascade of pain". If you get unlucky boss spawns, then that's just unfortunate.
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Honestly I don't have a problem remembering the memory game - I always played a lot of memory games as a kid, so that stuck. More likely is that I'll miss that the memory game has started in the clusterfuck that is the fight itself.
As I said, it's more about it being just awful to play, not necessarily difficult. The visual spam is all very same-y, the arena management doesn't immediately bite you in the ass so you can waste a lot of effort in a fight that's already bricked, and the memory game forces you to traverse the entire arena, which is very punishing and demands much more accurate hazard management than other boss fights - with the added RNG of the spawned bosses during the previous phase. It's simply not fun, at least for me (and I suspect, others). |
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" Are people becoming so dumb that they can't even remeber combination of 6 directions now? I remember playing Mortal Kombat 3 ultimate on SEGA, there were like 20 playable characters and each of them had his own combos, fatalities and brutalities, which were far more complex than simple up-down-left-right. And we remembered almost all of them because there's no time to read instructions when you have to FINISH HIM. How can it be hard to pass Maven memory game? |
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" this guy absolutely nailed it. maven is a clusterfuck and simply not fun. and current trends aside, fun should still be a part of a game. |
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" I'd like to see you do an IQ test where this short term memory is tested. It's totally not the same than remembering a combination you can prepare before hand (aka long term memory). Pretty sure you actually never even attempted the fight talking like this. And if you did, it's even worse. Stop being the unsupportive elitist. |
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" You should stop assuming things out of nowhere. I killed Maven many times and memory game was the least of problems, compared to complete Life regeneration disable from some of her hits, or that tohou-like arena-wide projectile spam. You're saying that evading her attacks is easier than remembering 6 flashing sectors? My condolenses then. |
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" pretty sure you don't have time, 32 watchstones , 16 watchstones, or voidstone that gated behind end game bosses does not matter. Casual player is not that "casual" if they really reached T11 by spending a lot of time to play this game in 3 months This is the start of forum signature: I am not a GGG employee. About the username: Did you know Kowloon Gundam is made in Neo Hong Kong?
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