Chris Wilson's vision explained: slowing down the game by enforcing zoom zoom play

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

There was never a "vision" as Chris described it. You don't have a vision and do the opposite of your supposed vision 30 times in a row.

There was psychological calculus done that determined that if GGG made the treadmill more obnoxious then people would play longer and spend more money. That's why the difficulty spike of 3.15 and 3.16 happened. No reason other than that.

Ironically Mageblood goes against the "vision" of all of the PoE devs (except for Chris) and Mageblood is 90% of the reason anyone is still playing the league.

well Mageblood supposed to be how all support flask should work by default... this way its nice

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

There was never a "vision" as Chris described it. You don't have a vision and do the opposite of your supposed vision 30 times in a row.

There was psychological calculus done that determined that if GGG made the treadmill more obnoxious then people would play longer and spend more money. That's why the difficulty spike of 3.15 and 3.16 happened. No reason other than that.

Ironically Mageblood goes against the "vision" of all of the PoE devs (except for Chris) and Mageblood is 90% of the reason anyone is still playing the league.

This I also believe to be the case - they just gravely miscalculated how difficult that treadmill can be before a whole lot of players quit because they simply aren't having fun running on it.

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Anton__Chigur wrote:

because it's fun, extremely rewarding and ya new chase uniques make it more exciting...

and ya, the new flask belt and stasis prison, squire and that amulet. New powerful uniques are "exciting" and I hope they continue adding them to the game. It gets old just chasing yet another headhunter every league.

It does take a while to get to the fun part but once you do it's fun. The only issue is that I'm on console and they seriously make you press the button that shows filtered ground loot to use the league mechanic. Even with cancer like that, it's still good enough to put up with such nonsense.

How are these items are fun? I got exited when they were anounced - i wanted to try them in my builds, obviously. But then reality hit - Mageblood - 300ex, Squire - 150ex. There is no realistic chance that I will actualy get these items, why even bother. It's just frustrating. Turns out that the Vision(TM) is that I don't deverve to have fun in this game becouse I don't treat it like a second job and hideout simulator(trading), eh.

There's nothing clear or consistent or understandable about "the vision". Frankly it just comes across as a bunch of babble and whatever you think you understand - well play the game and you find it's completely different.

It's sad to see PoE in such steep decline.

This scourge league has hit hard. Bad loot, bad mechanics, Fortify dead, build diversity dead, bugs and disconnects. Just awful piled on top of awful.

But still my biggest gripe is how badly misaligned the game is to what GGG says about the game and where it's going. I'm at the point where if Chris says something like "the loot is going to be great in this next league" then sure as sh*t the loot will stink. Or: "Fortify is for melee" "If you're melee, don't worry about the Fortify changes" - sure enough, my melee archetype, melee weaponed, melee skill build is DoA.

+1 to this topic. If Chris says "we need to slow the game down" then predictably, the Scourge mechanic pushes you to fastest movement, fastest clear speed, clear the whole screen at once build.

So sad.

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BigFrog49 wrote:

There's nothing clear or consistent or understandable about "the vision".

well considering chris is the managing director, not the lead developer, and is not one of the game developers, and has to ask the actual game devs fairly basic questions about the game in order to then communicate the info to the public its fair to say there is no such thing as chris wilsons vision that is directing the game.

its a complete fantasy made up by forum warriors to shout while they wave their pitchforks around.


chris has very little to do with the actual game development, chris is the guy who goes to meetings with accountants and shareholders.




the direction of the game comes from a collection of lead developers heading teams of jnr game devs who are taking input from 10,000s of very passionate players that give a lot of feedback while trying to decipher the statistics from millions of individual players and find a way to thread that needle that makes the most people happy while pissing off the least amount of people while keeping the games essential long term integrity intact while also making sure the game is a respectable piece of art and game development AND remains viable as a business so that it can keep existing and making players happy into the future.

its an impossible task, they have to just do their best, which to date is better than any dev team have ever achieved in the history of computer gaming and thats why this is the most successful and long lived arpg there has ever been. theres millions of people who play this game every league, and every one of them wants something slightly different to the next person, and virtually none of them appreciate the long term effects of getting what they want. any attempt to keep as many of these people happy as possible will obviously entail trying to satisfy many completely contradictory goals a best as possible.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

the direction of the game comes from a collection of lead developers heading teams of jnr game devs who are taking input from 10,000s of very passionate players that give a lot of feedback while trying to decipher the statistics from millions of individual players and find a way to thread that needle that makes the most people happy while pissing off the least amount of people while keeping the games essential long term integrity intact while also making sure the game is a respectable piece of art and game development AND remains viable as a business so that it can keep existing and making players happy into the future.

What? Are you absolutely serious here? It's one thing if you get a million different responses for the direction of where to take the game. But when you release the Harvest Manifesto which is still the most replied and read thread to date, most of which the feedback is in one direction, any sort of praise you have for the developers goes right out the window, and the playercount with it.

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its an impossible task, they have to just do their best, which to date is better than any dev team have ever achieved in the history of computer gaming and thats why this is the most successful and long lived arpg there has ever been. theres millions of people who play this game every league, and every one of them wants something slightly different to the next person, and virtually none of them appreciate the long term effects of getting what they want. any attempt to keep as many of these people happy as possible will obviously entail trying to satisfy many completely contradictory goals a best as possible.

I think this sums up your post.

There is no possible way you actually believe that Chris has removed himself from his lifetime achievement, and no longer has a say in the direction of the game.

Coming to that conclusion because he had to ask about a few obscure mechanical questions regarding a new league is hilarious.

Mageblood looks like a troll item to some extent ,albeit it being very poweful, after the flask changes.

It confirms people dont like PoEs current flask system, where it matters the most. In boss fights.

The same as the new reworked Fortify. Pretty weak vs boss fights or high HP enemies (HP threshold) where it matter the most and you get barely any stacks.

"The vision of hard" signed Chris Wilson.

now available on amazon along a well bought supporter pack.

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Tsokushin wrote:

when you release the Harvest Manifesto which is still the most replied and read thread to date, most of which the feedback is in one direction,

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

virtually none of them appreciate the long term effects of getting what they want.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

while keeping the games essential long term integrity intact

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DarthSki44 wrote:

There is no possible way you actually believe that Chris has removed himself from his lifetime achievement, and no longer has a say in the direction of the game.

Coming to that conclusion because he had to ask about a few obscure mechanical questions regarding a new league is hilarious.

back when zeno and ziggy had a podcast they would get chris on, were talking many years ago at this point. on one episode chris mistakenly thought that shavrones wrappings was a ci armour piece.

thats how out of touch chris was with the actual balance of the game back then, maybe 5 years ago, and hes probably more out of touch now than he was then. he literally said on a recent podcast he didnt understand how the current mapping atlas system worked.

you think a guy who doesnt even understand how the current atlas works is making the calls on how all the systems of the game are being balanced? that the game is being designed to his exacting vision?