Are players misunderstanding where Scourge leagues' rewards lie?

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superbomb1967 wrote:

Love me some white knights.

Most people wont see these end game streamer geared rewards.

Nice try though!

I guess I am streamer now.

This post almost reads like satire. And even if there are rewards deep down in the system in crangled maps that doesnt make the league a fun experience while the rest feels like a barren wasteland.

Barren wasteland when scourge adds pretty much 100% more monsters to your maps.
Do we even play the same game?

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trixxar wrote:

I feel no need to bash people defending this league, but my experience is not this is unplayable, it is that other leagues were... dozens of times more rewarding?

I wore the same shield from level 12 to 65. I used the same chest from 23 to 61.

I have the same amulet in Act 3 and early maps, and it is not for lack of using the league mechanic, or identifying drops.

Based on other comments, I do not believe this is RNG, this is simply the least rewarding league ever.

Again that proves my point completely. Leagues that you have to make "work" will never be popular. Players simply dont like that. Same was with bestiary, harvest (the league), synthesis etc. If the rewards are not upfront its getting bashed.

Im not defending this league by any means, its kinda meh. Too many and to short shifts for me. I dont care that much for rewards honestly but im not blind. Just stating the obvious. Such reward structure will never be satisfying for vast majority.

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HChristopher2671 wrote:

1. What the f-ck is this dumb "krangle" word... I looked it up and all I find is some urban dictionary stuff, ie, a made up millennial word it would seem. Just use Scourge. Example: I Scourged (since that's the League) a useful unique, and now it's completely useless. NOT I krangled it. Hell, I'd even accept "crucibled" (since that's the mechanism of transforming), or actually just say "transformed." ...kids these days...

2. Yes, SCOURGING/TRANSFORMING a good item for your own use is bad, but even worse for selling, unless you have a lot of cash to blow on extra items. I'm looking for a 6L Searing Touch, and as of writing this, there's only 18 of them on the market. SEVENTEEN of them have been scourged. And of those, only TWO are even remotely useful. The rest are vendor trash, yet all these people think they're going to sell that garbage for 30, 50, 90 chaos and even higher. I wouldn't pay 1 chaos for most of them. Hopefully people realize they're just making vendor items soon... I actually really like this league, but there's a small part of me that already can't wait for it to be over, haha.

You don't seem to be receptive to the origin of the word, but here it is anyway....

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/g1ksx2/what_returning_after_a_few_years_feels_like/

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kuciol wrote:

Leagues that you have to make "work" will never be popular. Players simply dont like that. Same was with bestiary, harvest (the league), synthesis etc. If the rewards are not upfront its getting bashed.

Im not defending this league by any means, its kinda meh. Too many and to short shifts for me. I dont care that much for rewards honestly but im not blind. Just stating the obvious. Such reward structure will never be satisfying for vast majority.

+1. But the problem with upfront rewards is that they've already taken the loot fountain concept so far that it's ridiculous on some existing league mechanics by now. And so if they default to that reward mechanism again, it always gets compared to said other sources of loot fountains. Which is what led to the ever escalating loot fountain size issue to begin with, as each loot fountain league had to outdo previous ones so as to compete. Hence they're trying to move away from that type of reward system.

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Aynix wrote:

Barren wasteland when scourge adds pretty much 100% more monsters to your maps.
Do we even play the same game?

Barren wasteland in terms of drops. There is no point in adding more monsters that are a net negative. What you get from the league mechanic in high red maps is

-zero xp (risk of dying at lvl 90+ is just too high and will annul all progress)
-no loot (crangled 0.5 loot items and a tainted blacksmith)
-corruption juice for a low tier crangled map that takes hours to make and might have negative mods on it that insta kills you.

Watch the video of the lvl 99 guy who got charged by a random Rhoa.

That is why most streamers and reasonable players at lvl 90+ in T16 skip it. It is just not fun but looks good in marketing material.

i can see it clearly now - its all one big misunderstanding!

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Exile009 wrote:

Are people just misunderstanding where Scourge leagues' rewards lie?

I think your title is kinda condescending.

I really do not think people are misunderstanding the rewards. They understand them very well. I just think they disagree with you when it comes to the quality of said rewards.

Sure, it's nice while leveling. Sure, it's nice when it comes to linking. Now we're done with the first ten hours of a three month league - then what?

I often ask myself; "why should I bake this item? Will it be an upgrade? No. Can I hit something really crazy? Sure, I CAN, but it still won't be an upgrade". So we're left with baking items, hoping to hit something crazy - just to sell them?

Sure, baked maps are nice and all. But it's just another layer of juice like Delirium. The difference? Delirium had interesting drops, delirium orbs, special uniques, special encounter etc. Something to chase. Something to work towards. Scourge are seriously lacking in dropped rewards, which is kinda ironic, as "improving the quality of drops" has been on their radar for years, and now we get a league totally stripped of dropped rewards.

Based on my playstyle, the league is not giving me any real/good reasons to interact with the league mechanic - other than the reduced drop rates of 'everything' outside the league mechanics. There's no "awe" factor. There's nothng to work towards.

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Exile009 wrote:

+1. But the problem with upfront rewards is that they've already taken the loot fountain concept so far that it's ridiculous on some existing league mechanics by now. And so if they default to that reward mechanism again, it always gets compared to said other sources of loot fountains. Which is what led to the ever escalating loot fountain size issue to begin with, as each loot fountain league had to outdo previous ones so as to compete. Hence they're trying to move away from that type of reward system.

Well maybe they should take a serious look at fragments, scarabs, watchstones and all that other unpleasant stuff. I would rather farm 1200 voll's in dried lake again or below 2k alc and go maps for 8 doctor cards. But that would need old drop rates.