Banned on tft - for no reason a whole section of trade no more accessable

Nubatron, does the OP literally say "Yes I know I took more chaos than we agreed on, but I have decided to keep it while offering no more goods"

Or does he say "Buzz off / pay attention next time" etc, which is what I would say to someone trying to scam me by pretending they paid more than they did and I owe them?

Just so we are all on the same page, this is chris saying "We balance around TFT"


Chris:

"So in 3.13.0, we released an integrated version of Harvest where players stumble across groves full of crafts and hope they get the most valuable deterministic ones. We hoped that this would still keep the most valuable crafting options available while limiting the most abusive crafting to just very lucky or successful players.

With Harvest integrated into the core game with 3.13.0, players still made ridiculous items. Even the crafts we made quite rare felt pretty common when the entire community was pooling them together and using them on the right items."

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IllustrativeCapital wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

OP kept the chaos, which is their right, but they also lost access to TFT because they did not respect the rules of TFT.

Hopefully that 75C was worth it.

So TFT is run by scumbags that will ban you unless you give their friends free currency. It seems everyone who has seen the actual conversation agrees with this, and there are also tons of similar TFT mod-abuse stories about banning people for not paying for their mod-protection.

Disgusting people like that ruin the game. What will those TFT jerks do next, ban people for not giving them real money?
GGG should cut all ties with those scumbags.

People who partake in TFT agree to their rules. It really is that simple. OP accepted those terms, didn't abide by those terms, and is no longer able to use TFT. I suppose everyone has their price. Apparently the price for OP was 75C.

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trixxar wrote:

Nubatron, does the OP literally say "Yes I know I took more chaos than we agreed on, but I have decided to keep it while offering no more goods"

Or does he say "Buzz off / pay attention next time" etc, which is what I would say to someone trying to scam me by pretending they paid more than they did and I owe them?

Just so we are all on the same page, this is chris saying "We balance around TFT"


Chris:

"So in 3.13.0, we released an integrated version of Harvest where players stumble across groves full of crafts and hope they get the most valuable deterministic ones. We hoped that this would still keep the most valuable crafting options available while limiting the most abusive crafting to just very lucky or successful players.

With Harvest integrated into the core game with 3.13.0, players still made ridiculous items. Even the crafts we made quite rare felt pretty common when the entire community was pooling them together and using them on the right items."

Buyer: "Please return the excess"

OP: "Nah, get lost"

He thought it was another trade he was doing for more fragments, and paid the extra amount based upon that trade.

You can see the original trade was for 150C.

OP: "If you brainfarted and can't see what sacs you need"
OP: "Not my problem"

The entire conversation gives more than enough context clues to know what OP did without him specifically saying "I took more from you than you offered, and I'm guilty, but go pound sand."

I guess a better way to put it is that OP would not have responded the way he did in the conversation unless he knew buyer F'd up. They didn't care and got nasty about it.

EDIT: Again, in the context of POE, everything is fine. Buyer messed up. OP doesn't have to do anything. They're not banned from POE. Just TFT, which they agreed to the terms of using it by being on TFT.

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trixxar wrote:

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zakalwe55 wrote:

The only proof here is that the OP is an ahole and was an ahole to a TFT mod. It seems that the people on this thread who actually read the original conversation screenshot all agree on this point.

But all of this back and forth is pointless. OP is banned and will not be reinstated. OP appealing on POE forums is completely worthless. Depending on vouch level and age on the account, that TFT account could have been worth hundreds or thousands of exalts. I guess OP f***ed around and found out.

Perhaps, but is it more or less of an ahole move to try to bully someone into paying someone else chaos with no possible way to know if they should or not?

You seem to take the side of people with power "Well if you dont beg and scrape, you deserve whatever you get".

That seems weird to me but ok.

Honestly dont care what TFT does. Ban based on race or sex for all I care. Ban everyone whose name starts with F. Ban everyone who wont send nudes.

Whats insanely stupid is Chris admitting he balances the game around them.

My take: If you are an ahole, you deserve whatever you get. Being polite and professional is a long way from bowing or scraping.

In the original conversation, it is the OP that comes off as a bully/ahole not the counterparty.

Also, OP has already lied twice about the sequence of events. What else has he lied about?

While you defend the OP, the OP has disappeared from this thread. Counterparty has posted screenshots, OP has provided no proof.

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IllustrativeCapital wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

OP kept the chaos, which is their right, but they also lost access to TFT because they did not respect the rules of TFT.

Hopefully that 75C was worth it.

So TFT is run by scumbags that will ban you unless you give their friends free currency. It seems everyone who has seen the actual conversation agrees with this, and there are also tons of similar TFT mod-abuse stories about banning people for not paying for their mod-protection.

Disgusting people like that ruin the game. What will those TFT jerks do next, ban people for not giving them real money?
GGG should cut all ties with those scumbags.

I've been using TFT for 1 year. It has been very, very useful and I haven't had to give anyone free currency.

You just have to use it correctly.

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zakalwe55 wrote:

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IllustrativeCapital wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

OP kept the chaos, which is their right, but they also lost access to TFT because they did not respect the rules of TFT.

Hopefully that 75C was worth it.

So TFT is run by scumbags that will ban you unless you give their friends free currency. It seems everyone who has seen the actual conversation agrees with this, and there are also tons of similar TFT mod-abuse stories about banning people for not paying for their mod-protection.

Disgusting people like that ruin the game. What will those TFT jerks do next, ban people for not giving them real money?
GGG should cut all ties with those scumbags.

I've been using TFT for 1 year. It has been very, very useful and I haven't had to give anyone free currency.

You just have to use it correctly.

And to just add one thing: GGG does not have any ties with TFT, so there no ties to cut. How anyone would expect GGG to regulate a 3rd party site is beyond me.

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Nubatron wrote:

OP: "If you brainfarted and can't see what sacs you need"
OP: "Not my problem"

The entire conversation gives more than enough context clues to know what OP did without him specifically saying "I took more from you than you offered, and I'm guilty, but go pound sand."

Thank you, genuinely, for responding.

To me this sounds more like the other party decided they no longer needed those fragments.

If you had cheated someone, why would it be about him being mistaken about the sac fragments he needs?

Im not trying to argue it to death, it just honestly looks more like the buyer came back and said he no longer needed the merch and wanted a refund.


I am not trying to defend OP or attack TFT. I am saying its insane your ability to participate in the top end of crafting rests with a bunch of people who have no ties to GGG.

That is flat out stupid and indefensible. Make the crafts tradeable items already for gods sake.

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trixxar wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

OP: "If you brainfarted and can't see what sacs you need"
OP: "Not my problem"

The entire conversation gives more than enough context clues to know what OP did without him specifically saying "I took more from you than you offered, and I'm guilty, but go pound sand."

Thank you, genuinely, for responding.

To me this sounds more like the other party decided they no longer needed those fragments.

If you had cheated someone, why would it be about him being mistaken about the sac fragments he needs?

Im not trying to argue it to death, it just honestly looks more like the buyer came back and said he no longer needed the merch and wanted a refund.


I am not trying to defend OP or attack TFT. I am saying its insane your ability to participate in the top end of crafting rests with a bunch of people who have no ties to GGG.

That is flat out stupid and indefensible. Make the crafts tradeable items already for gods sake.

No worries, it would be easier if we could just paste the chat here. This falls into a gray area of the name and shame policy.

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trixxar wrote:

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Nubatron wrote:

OP: "If you brainfarted and can't see what sacs you need"
OP: "Not my problem"

The entire conversation gives more than enough context clues to know what OP did without him specifically saying "I took more from you than you offered, and I'm guilty, but go pound sand."

Thank you, genuinely, for responding.

To me this sounds more like the other party decided they no longer needed those fragments.

If you had cheated someone, why would it be about him being mistaken about the sac fragments he needs?

Im not trying to argue it to death, it just honestly looks more like the buyer came back and said he no longer needed the merch and wanted a refund.


I am not trying to defend OP or attack TFT. I am saying its insane your ability to participate in the top end of crafting rests with a bunch of people who have no ties to GGG.

That is flat out stupid and indefensible. Make the crafts tradeable items already for gods sake.

I thought the trade messages were for 225c for x quantity and 150c for y quantity. Counterparty paid 225c for y quantity. Counterparty got the type of sacs he needed...not the quantity. So counterparty asked for return of excess c paid. This is something that can happen if you spam buy messages and get confused.

Asking for EXCESS funds to be returned is not asking for a refund. Counterparty screwed up and overpaid. Generally, sellers are happy to accept overpayment. Sellers will not accept underpayment.

When you say that it "honestly looks more like the buyer came back and said he no longer needed the merch and wanted a refund" are you looking at the original screenshot of the conversation?

OP says that the counterparty wanted to give the sacs back and that the counterparty was a friend of a mod. There is no proof of that. Maybe OP assumed that counterparty had a mod friend because he got banned so quickly? But TFT mods respond very quickly to all scam reports and are good on follow through.

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zakalwe55 wrote:

I thought the trade messages were for 225c for x quantity and 150c for y quantity. Counterparty paid 225c for y quantity. Counterparty got the type of sacs he needed...not the quantity. So counterparty asked for return of excess c paid.
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There is no proof of that.

Feel free to post screenshots if you have them (please dont refer back to page 5, there is nothing there other than a request to go browse forums with no link), otherwise it is a he said/she said, and no one has proof, as you reference later in your post (in regards to the claim that it was a friend of a mod, to avoid putting words in your mouth).

And that is usually what these come down to, a "I said" vs "They said" situation.

GGG has empowered TFT to act completely independently as a monopoly on the truth in these situations, with a result of being banned from the top end trading of the game at stake.

How are we really arguing this is reasonable?