PoE peaked in 3.13 and I am afraid that it may never go back up again... version:2

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

This is a game-killer decision making and GGG has made all the wrong choices at once.

steamcharts.com/app/238960

Where does the game-killing part come in?

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

My thread was closed because some kids were exchanging insults at each other.

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Lacceh wrote:

Also, no, 'some kids' did not want your thread closed. A GGG forum moderator closed your thread. Are you calling her a kid?

You seriously need to work on your reading comprehension, sir.

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Char1983 wrote:

How do you get to the conclusion that most players do not agree? At least in this thread, most players seem to agree.

Oh my goodness... so if I go to a small-scale protest, and most ppl seem to agree with the message there, then surely most ppl in the city, or region, or world, must also agree, right? You must be a genius.

Again, the key is reading comprehension. I never claimed that most players in the world agree that 3.13 was better than 3.14 (though others did). I just asked you where YOUR statement came from that most players do not agree? You must be a genius.

It is pretty tedious to discuss with you, to be honest. Not because your arguments are great, but because you seem to be either unwilling or incapable of understanding what is written.

3.14 is a huge step backwards


the endgame has been 'enlarged' sadly not in the scope of content but in the time tax required to participate. ofc, there are some new pieces there and there - just a note to people who will blindly defend it.

but current atlas design is very simple: cram as much chores and make sure these chores are more or less necessary to participate in content of choice. the key element is 'time needed'. and that value grows and grows with each patch. dont confuse that with content.


the loot situation is catastrophic. i understand weeping changes are hard but low hanging fruits are ripe for taking. number of completely, objectively useless items that drop (and that number grows, new league mechanics add more of that crap!) is staggering. why 'oil cysts' in blight drop anything beside oils? why scarab chests drop anything but scarabs? i have a mighty rig but i literally dread pressing alt in blighted map. i once did. the loot is still loading. or rather great pacific patch of garbage loot.



then the arbitrary build changes.. not a fan of them. bleed melee/attack cut in half as a sacrificial lamb to make place for 'corrupted blood' builds. pretty degenerative build archetype when you apply physical dot with ball lightning or something. yet the toxic rain is still obscenely strong.. go figure


the harvest.. for a player who is not obsessed in orbs/hr pursuing harvest crafts (on my own, no tft) was my endgame goal, something i logged in for. contrary to people blindly parroting some funny stories, crafting even mid-level gear wasnt easy at all (unless you consider 20c belt 'good' ). after harvest removal several of my projects i tried to complete are dead forever


so what is left? trying funky builds (because anyone can make meta build work, there is no fun, challenge in that) and making them work despite knowing full well it is a stupid idea. given that i avoid OP skills and self-building archetypes (you literally cannot fu.. up exsg character, no matter how hard you try) there arent that many builds i havent tried yet

maybe 3.14 is my last patch? maybe it is time to move on. because now i feel like i did when my 3070 had its fans changed and i had to use 1060 for a while. it kinda worked allright but you knew it is just worse stuff


oh, and then there is the PR situation: streamer prio debacle, decoy bans to dilute the streamer prio, recent exploit going unpunished until public exposure, TERRIBLE performance that is getting worse and worse yet company patiently waits until the community forgets about it

something truly changed with 3.14, im not sure what but.. something is very, very off. and the pandemic is ending, for a golden age of gaming, playerbase increase is miniscule DESPITE billions of us spending most of their times at home. go figure

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Char1983 wrote:

Again, the key is reading comprehension. I never claimed that most players in the world agree that 3.13 was better than 3.14 (though others did). I just asked you where YOUR statement came from that most players do not agree? You must be a genius.

It is pretty tedious to discuss with you, to be honest. Not because your arguments are great, but because you seem to be either unwilling or incapable of understanding what is written.

It's already answered ages ago, you conveniently quoted only the first part of my post, while your answer was RIGHT THERE BELOW. Amazing...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, you just lack valid arguments.

Not sure why you even bother commenting since you basically brought no substance or value to the discussion, YET you call others tedious. Once again, amazing...

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sidtherat wrote:

oh, and then there is the PR situation: streamer prio debacle, decoy bans to dilute the streamer prio, recent exploit going unpunished until public exposure, TERRIBLE performance that is getting worse and worse yet company patiently waits until the community forgets about it

1. Streamer priority was explained, and honestly, the explanation was 100% valid and understandable. How the hell are you still hung up on this? Like seriously.
Some streamers had been paid large amounts of money to promote PoE, so it made no sense for them to sit in a queue. Also made no sense for players sitting in a long queue watching a prominent streamer also sit in the queue instead of playing... They did not have malicious intentions, they had good intentions, it was simply a very unfortunate situation. Technical issues can happen, even if you try to prepare correctly. Also some ppl still try to claim that they skimped on server capacity - nonsense, it had zero to do with that. (All of this was also explained by Chris in detail btw...)

2. That exploit was fixed very quickly, despite still being weekend in NZ. And how would you know who got punished or not? Do they announce every account that gets punished? No. It's a different situation to Empyrian's.

3. My performance is perfectly fine, on a mid-range PC (Ryzen 2600, GTX 1650S, 16GB). 144hz screen, smooth, usually high FPS. No issues, they've even fixed Vulkan crashes, it's stable at the moment with latest nvidia driver, although I barely see any different between DX11 or Vulkan now, former seems to have very slight stutter, but shorter loading times. People have called me a 'liar' before for stating that my performance is fine and most players' PC-s seem to be screwed up and poorly configured... do you want me to record gameplay in OBS and post it or what?

Basically, it's almost like you're just desperate to find something, anything, to complain about...

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

I may be arrogant but I am just projecting what are most players complaining about.

You don't know what most players think / do / like.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

If there are no players left to play your game, sticking to your guns when it comes to nerfs will eventually mean nothing. This is a game-killer decision making and GGG has made all the wrong choices at once.

You have 36 challenges, this already makes this thread invalid.

I am a completionist. This will be my 15th consecutive 40/40 challenge league completion. In previous leagues, I would've been already 40 challenges already. This only proves my experience and shows how valid my points are.

I do not know what most players think but I can infer some ideas from my observations, friends, trade chat frequency, etc.

thats elitist...no ones opinion is more valid than another in this instance. If a noob hates this league thats one less paying customer same as you.

Now, if we're talking how do I delve 2000 I'll give more credence to your thoughts.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

The nerfs craft system -harvest to be specific- and characters has received made Poe a worse game in every way possible than its former self which can be simply named as 3.13. I am afraid that Poe may never go back to its old glory -3.13-.

Thats a very pessimistic outlook.
I took it the other way around.

The way I see it, GGG got rid of stuff and thus freeing up design space for new toys that might be introduced down the road.
Especially Harvest was pretty much invalidating older crafting methods and also preventing new crafting methods from being introduced in the future.
It should have never gone core as far as Im concerned.

Now that Harvest is somewhat nerfed, GGG can actually introduce another crafting league down the road that will have some sort of impact. Same goes for everything else they did nerf.


Sure, it might be painful shortterm but I think its beneficial longterm and thus I dont care about shortterm downsides.
It was the right call for the games longevity and to be honest: I trust the devs vision for the future of this game much more than someones butthurt feelings.

Look at it this way:
If the devs were actually listening to just half of the stuff suggested by the community the game would have been dead, rotten and forgotten years ago.
The only reason this game is still thriving is the fact that the devs DONT listen to the community and have the balls to do their own stuff.
I respect and support that.

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Orbaal wrote:

Thats a very pessimistic outlook.
I took it the other way around.

The way I see it, GGG got rid of stuff and thus freeing up design space for new toys that might be introduced down the road.
Especially Harvest was pretty much invalidating older crafting methods and also preventing new crafting methods from being introduced in the future.
It should have never gone core as far as Im concerned.

Now that Harvest is somewhat nerfed, GGG can actually introduce another crafting league down the road that will have some sort of impact. Same goes for everything else they did nerf.


Sure, it might be painful shortterm but I think its beneficial longterm and thus I dont care about shortterm downsides.
It was the right call for the games longevity and to be honest: I trust the devs vision for the future of this game much more than someones butthurt feelings.

Look at it this way:
If the devs were actually listening to just half of the stuff suggested by the community the game would have been dead, rotten and forgotten years ago.
The only reason this game is still thriving is the fact that the devs DONT listen to the community and have the balls to do their own stuff.
I respect and support that.

Freeing up space to new design does not mean going backwards for 3-6-9 month pior to a new solution. Whne something does not suit the game anymore, it should either being reworked (if the 3 month gap allows such rework) or being replaced but in both cases, you don't remove a feaature before you're sure to have a replacement.

GGG nuked harvest but does not give solutions to better crafting solutions, not to mention that there is some differences between what was announced in the manifesto and the reality of it...

My main grip is that GGG does not provide clear pictures of the future because they have no idea where the game goes and in the process angrying the player base...

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Azarhiel wrote:

Freeing up space to new design does not mean going backwards for 3-6-9 month pior to a new solution. Whne something does not suit the game anymore, it should either being reworked (if the 3 month gap allows such rework) or being replaced but in both cases, you don't remove a feaature before you're sure to have a replacement.

GGG nuked harvest but does not give solutions to better crafting solutions, not to mention that there is some differences between what was announced in the manifesto and the reality of it...

My main grip is that GGG does not provide clear pictures of the future because they have no idea where the game goes and in the process angrying the player base...

Thats your opinion thats perfectly fine.

Doesnt mean the devs are obliged to please you and your expectations.
Thats what I was talking about. Your opinion is just that: Your opinion.
Some people will agree, others will disagree.
This is why opinions are irrelevant as far as Im concerned.


And no: Devs should NEVER talk about future goals or mechanics or whatever, unless its already fully developed and ready to go.
Goals may and will change during development due to various reasons and people will be outraged because of this.
Thats why devs should absolutely keep radio silence about everything until its done.

Thats my opinion and its equally fine and irrelevant as yours is ;)