Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.
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SisterBlister wrote:
The whole fiasco would be a lot less important if people in the priority Q couldn't compete with others. Still wouldn't be totally ethical (as it's a form of false advertisement) but would have been much less bad as it would not cast doubt on the "all racers have equal chances" principle.
TBH you're just kidding yourself if you say "All racers have equal chances" - none of the people complaining have a chance anyway since all things being equal they would still be doing Act 3 while the speed runners are hitting maps.
Haven't seen any complaints from people who actually have a chance of competing or pushing ladders or dominating the economy which makes all this outrage pretty funny.
What does that have to do with anything? I don't want to be a fire fighter either but would be pissed if all my city hired was white males to be fighter fighters. I wouldnt support that unfairness and move.
The whole fiasco would be a lot less important if people in the priority Q couldn't compete with others. Still wouldn't be totally ethical (as it's a form of false advertisement) but would have been much less bad as it would not cast doubt on the "all racers have equal chances" principle.
TBH you're just kidding yourself if you say "All racers have equal chances" - none of the people complaining have a chance anyway since all things being equal they would still be doing Act 3 while the speed runners are hitting maps.
Haven't seen any complaints from people who actually have a chance of competing or pushing ladders or dominating the economy which makes all this outrage pretty funny.
There are several flaws with that kind of reasoning.
How do you know that every single player being held back were chanceless when it comes to competition? Do you know us all personally?
Also, what you are saying? That because someone never competed before, they shouldn't even get a chance to try? It's called equal chance, not guaranteed win.
Third, and I know this is difficult for people to grasp, it is entirely possible to be both casual and still care about fair play. Especially as one of the selling points of a fresh league is just that, Chris even said as much in the apology.
I am casual, haven't even reached maps yet. I have no personal stake in this whatsoever. I still think the entire matter stinks like last months shrimp, and will withhold any support moving forwards until they prove that they actually mean what they say. But that is waaaay too soon to tell.
The whole fiasco would be a lot less important if people in the priority Q couldn't compete with others. Still wouldn't be totally ethical (as it's a form of false advertisement) but would have been much less bad as it would not cast doubt on the "all racers have equal chances" principle.
TBH you're just kidding yourself if you say "All racers have equal chances" - none of the people complaining have a chance anyway since all things being equal they would still be doing Act 3 while the speed runners are hitting maps.
Haven't seen any complaints from people who actually have a chance of competing or pushing ladders or dominating the economy which makes all this outrage pretty funny.
There are several flaws with that kind of reasoning.
How do you know that every single player being held back were chanceless when it comes to competition? Do you know us all personally?
Also, what you are saying? That because someone never competed before, they shouldn't even get a chance to try? It's called equal chance, not guaranteed win.
Third, and I know this is difficult for people to grasp, it is entirely possible to be both casual and still care about fair play. Especially as one of the selling points of a fresh league is just that, Chris even said as much in the apology.
I am casual, haven't even reached maps yet. I have no personal stake in this whatsoever. I still think the entire matter stinks like last months shrimp, and will withhold any support moving forwards until they prove that they actually mean what they say. But that is waaaay too soon to tell.
Word. Well said. I doubt I support again tho. The unethical mystery boxes started me reconsidering what kinda company I'm voluntarily giving cash to because at this point (actually a long long time ago) I dont need tabs or MTX to play game at full potential...having 100s and only needing 20 tabs or so.. so it's all voluntary... The streamer advantage probably sends the spare change to another charity for good
Git R Dun!
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The whole fiasco would be a lot less important if people in the priority Q couldn't compete with others. Still wouldn't be totally ethical (as it's a form of false advertisement) but would have been much less bad as it would not cast doubt on the "all racers have equal chances" principle.
TBH you're just kidding yourself if you say "All racers have equal chances" - none of the people complaining have a chance anyway since all things being equal they would still be doing Act 3 while the speed runners are hitting maps.
Haven't seen any complaints from people who actually have a chance of competing or pushing ladders or dominating the economy which makes all this outrage pretty funny.
Here is just one of many comments in that 'mega thread' of people who had their hopes set on competing. And more in the replies to that comment.
It is simply wrong to say that because someone doesn't meet a certain threshold of twitch/YT viewers/subs that they couldn't possibly compete. Not only is it false, but even if it were true it wouldn't matter since we're talking about the opportunity to compete.
If marathons limited racers only to people who had won the marathon in the past, you'd never have a racing pool. You'd never even have an inaugural race.
Why even have sports tournaments? The best teams are guaranteed to win right? Of course not. Sure in a lot of sports the top tier dominate, but I don't need to go through a list of times where non-elite, surprise, or underdog teams or individuals win. That's half the fun. It's why we play competitive games.
I'm sorry if you can't relate, but if you're going with 'I haven't seen complaints I consider valid, so everyone else is fooling themselves' well then... I think you're fooling yourself.
The whole fiasco would be a lot less important if people in the priority Q couldn't compete with others. Still wouldn't be totally ethical (as it's a form of false advertisement) but would have been much less bad as it would not cast doubt on the "all racers have equal chances" principle.
TBH you're just kidding yourself if you say "All racers have equal chances" - none of the people complaining have a chance anyway since all things being equal they would still be doing Act 3 while the speed runners are hitting maps.
Haven't seen any complaints from people who actually have a chance of competing or pushing ladders or dominating the economy which makes all this outrage pretty funny.
This is a good way to prevent discovering young bloods, getting more players to try to learn, get good and join/form new groups. We can ask GGG to label the leagues as such but I don't think they will agree.
'Leagues are a great way to kid yourself that all participants have equal chances'
while i also totally don't understand ggg's reasoning to give streamers prioritised access to a league that is basically a race, i would never call to boycott them.
because, what's the goal of that?
if you succeed, 10c pulls the plug on the world realm and ggg is exclusively working on the chinese client.
is this some weird form of "kill what you love"?
it's the same braindead request as calling a boycott on any other company's product. because all companies get from this is that they need better advertisement.
on a related note: ggg should pay their streamers directly so they don't rely on their viewers paying them for favours.
age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!
while i also totally don't understand ggg's reasoning to give streamers prioritised access to a league that is basically a race, i would never call to boycott them.
because, what's the goal of that?
if you succeed, 10c pulls the plug on the world realm and ggg is exclusively working on the chinese client.
is this some weird form of "kill what you love"?
it's the same braindead request as calling a boycott on any other company's product. because all companies get from this is that they need better advertisement.
on a related note: ggg should pay their streamers directly so they don't rely on their viewers paying them for favours.
Do me a favour and actually read the first post. Even the summary should make it clear, but the last spoilered section really drives home what this is about. No one here should be naïve enough to think any sort of boycott would 'kill' GGG or even PoE. It's about sending a message.
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period.
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