Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.

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vio wrote:

while i also totally don't understand ggg's reasoning to give streamers prioritised access to a league that is basically a race, i would never call to boycott them.

because, what's the goal of that?

if you succeed, 10c pulls the plug on the world realm and ggg is exclusively working on the chinese client.

is this some weird form of "kill what you love"?

it's the same braindead request as calling a boycott on any other company's product. because all companies get from this is that they need better advertisement.


on a related note: ggg should pay their streamers directly so they don't rely on their viewers paying them for favours.

In general, aside from being totally wrong in this particular case if you even understood the premise in the OP, somehow telling people how and when to spend their money/support, and the conditions of said support, is poor form.

Hell I wouldnt even fault some exiles if the Tencent acquisition alone made them withdraw support ages ago.

To go a step further, not all exiles, and I've meet quite a few of them, are in a position to support them anyways, and their feedback(and state of current rage at GGG) is no less important.

Bottom line is Mr Chan detailed the situation perfectly, and its perfectly reasonable. If you want to play the game, and enjoy it, please continue to do so.

If you are also fucking pissed off at the contempt GGG has shown the average customer that includes yourself, please by all means, show them. Let them see how the purchasing power of your "normal" PoE players in the many thosuands, far exceed your advertising dollars for a variety streamer that couldnt give a fuck about PoE and GGG, but is happy to take their money.

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vio wrote:

if you succeed, 10c pulls the plug on the world realm and ggg is exclusively working on the chinese client.

You are severely underestimating GGG's capability to correct mistakes committed.

We are confident in their ability to listen hence our decision to express our disappointment. If not, we could have simply just left and play other games.

very simple, do not buy more packs. Let them live with the support of streammers. Play for free. For REAL free.
I'm on it until D4.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Do me a favour and actually read the first post. Even the summary should make it clear, but the last spoilered section really drives home what this is about. No one here should be naïve enough to think any sort of boycott would 'kill' GGG or even PoE. It's about sending a message.

i'm more for procedures which let me win if i put all my energy into it.

your message, it's like shooting someone with the intention to just hurt him a little while not knowing what gun you hold.

Honestly iv spent way to much in this game... The actions of GGG supporting streamers to the level they did upsets me.

Streamers already get *Paid* To play a fun game you took the actions to sponsor them which in turn gives them more money but alienated your fans

shame on you since I don't buy support packs to support streamers I buy them to support GGG for them to turn around use my funds I pay to them. to hire streamers then give them advantages and make no mistakes they are given more advantages then they let on I have no doubts.

just shows me you don't need my money anymore I could care less about streamers. Personally I think they need a real job so I'll keep my money to myself.

Kids in Africa!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes no sense to me at all. GGG made a mistake, admitted it, and promised it would not happen again. So, what is the point of a boycott? What behavior are you trying to force them to change? The only purpose of a boycott now would be to try to put GGG out of business, in which case, why play a game that is going to be shut down if your boycott succeeds?

Nothing wrong with being pissed about streamer queue priority, but, a boycott needs a goal that, when achieved, ends the boycott. It should not be a temper tantrum.

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Malichus wrote:

This makes no sense to me at all. GGG made a mistake, admitted it, and promised it would not happen again.

GGG did not 'make a mistake'. They made a series of decisions, deliberately and very calculatingly, that backfired horrifically because the most devastating of those decisions was to pay for an unrelated but very popular game streamer to get 2 hours of guaranteed play time on launch day when PoE servers have made a tradition of setting themselves on fire on launch day. They simply promised something they could not realistically deliver, based on precedent and, as Chris put it, an uncanny routine of 'subtle fuckery', which at this point surprised exactly no one.

This was not their usual internal shenanigans. At all. But, again, if you'd read what I wrote instead of forcing me to repeat it here for purely your benefit, you'd know that, and you'd know that the core message is not, again, about 'putting GGG out of business'.

As for goals? Okay, let's set one. Don't. Make. Promises. You. Can't. Keep.

And y'know what? Right now, that sort of includes the one you're citing, because we have no proof they'll keep this one either. All we know is they'll work much harder not to be forced to show their hand next time, when it comes time to favour the streamers over the actual player base yet again.

So if you want to take that latest promise at face value, that's fine. That's on you.

But here, let's set another 'goal' -- stop paying for unrelated streamers when you have a perfectly serviceable force of streamers already deeply invested in your game, promoting it for free. It was ridiculous to think a streamer of games unlike PoE would somehow be able to significantly boost PoE's popularity ON LAUNCH DAY. Of course he and his viewers are going to see not this amazing Diablo 2 successor but an antiquated, stodgy D3 wannabe severely lacking in QoL and polish. Because if you're not an Exile, that's exactly what it looks like.

Neither of these goals should be something players/customers need to bring up or set. These are both things that GGG themselves should have known from the start. Don't make promises you can't keep is something Chris, who is supremely adept at diplomatic language and smoothing things over (I'd know; he's talked me down from metaphorical ledges several times), has always upheld, usually by saying things like 'we'd love to do that at some point' or 'we plan to do this'. See how easy it is to keep the plates spinning without committing? And 'don't use outside streamers' should be a given considering how fiercely internalised, how tribal the PoE community has become. Paying a popular influencer of other genres to promote PoE to a slew of viewers who almost certainly won't appreciate what PoE does and does so well is a very quick way to alienate your existing players and make them feel like they just don't matter.

Pointing out that you gave said streamer priority on launch day because to not do so would be to 'literally set a big pile of money on fire' is...well, frankly it should have been business suicide but, as I've been pointing out for a while now, GGG know exactly how much Exiles will take before snapping, and it's an ungodly amount based purely on addiction and inertia.

...Sooner or later, that toxic cycle of GGG needing to apologise and players accepting said apology at face value has to stop. At an individual level, and at a collective.

But it starts at the former.

Please note that I'm not 'pissed about streamer queue priority'. I am inconsolable that GGG today keep making decisions that make clear it's all about money for them, and that Exiles have been gently and subtly nudged into believing that it's always been that way. That this is how the business always operated. It. Is. Not.

Pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered is how I was taught.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

This was not their usual internal shenanigans. At all. But, again, if you'd read what I wrote instead of forcing me to repeat it here for purely your benefit, you'd know that, and you'd know that the core message is not, again, about 'putting GGG out of business'.

This is why I see this boycott as yet another failure. An half hearted attempt would not achieve anything. Telling the junkies not to give GGG their money but keep their craving for the dope...

These meekly protest will not signify anything meaningful, as I have yet see anything significant happening, it is not really a boycott... more of ranting.

As The COLLECTIVE, I like to point out we are not very collective as a whole.