how do you like 3.14 melee/attack nerf?

there is one more thing people should realise

split beast is dead. why does that matter? in short (and in simplified terms) pretty much every 400pdps+ weapon (mostly the good ones aka foils) you can buy on the market have one father. a group of savvy players print these double T1 bases on an industrial scale

next league - this is gone. harvest is gone, too. the only reliable way of getting semi-decent phys weapon is to essence craft T1-2 speed and T1-2flat then multimod the junk 120%phys + crit/quality

it sounds easy but.. it is not easy, try it. youll know why weapons like these sell for hard exalts. and you end up with ~350pdps weapon, mind you. not some 500+ behemoth.


if the flat mod is not local anymore.. we are back to the only setup that works (Paradoxica / Abyssus + optional Saviour) or 'enjoying' the endgame with 280pdps weapon knowing that upgrade costs 20ex

meanwhile in the spell territory i can do T16 with two blue lvl3 wands because of how strong and easy 'damage from gem levels' is

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sidtherat wrote:

split beast is dead. why does that matter? in short (and in simplified terms) pretty much every 400pdps+ weapon (mostly the good ones aka foils) you can buy on the market have one father. a group of savvy players print these double T1 bases on an industrial scale

<400 pdps + crit foil prices have not changed within the past 2 years, which is what already allows you to have 50M DPS quite easily aka 1 second Sirus last phase.

Source: Flipped every weapon type every league.

'quite easy'..

Soul Ripper
Aul's Uprising (pride)
Bonkers Explody Frenzy chest
Pride's Watcher's Eye
...
should i go on?

'easy' on 100ex+ and only with all boxes ticked?



and split-printing phys weapons is older than one league. next league it is GONE.

try to craft a sword like that on your own. youll see what im talking about, impact of the beast split removal on the market is going to be MONUMENTAL.

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harvest is gone,

except that harvest is still going to be insane for rolling non-influenced weapons which most phys/impale/crit builds don't need any influenced mods on their weapon.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

split beast is dead. why does that matter? in short (and in simplified terms) pretty much every 400pdps+ weapon (mostly the good ones aka foils) you can buy on the market have one father. a group of savvy players print these double T1 bases on an industrial scale

<400 pdps + crit foil prices have not changed within the past 2 years, which is what already allows you to have 50M DPS quite easily aka 1 second Sirus last phase.

Source: Flipped every weapon type every league.

Are you kidding us with this Abyssus 5k life 100+ex build?
Vaal Ancestral Warchief + Ancestral Protector ticket on lol.

Anyways Ball Lightning Spell with Agnostic/MoM/Archmage already breached the 1 billion damage range while laughing at your suirvivability.

The saddest part about the local flat added nerf is probably unique sword Paradoxia gonna be the best Sword in the game or at least on par with tripple Phys prefix mirror tier foils.

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lolozori wrote:

is that a nerf because of those new dot spell + battelmage?

By the way, I don't think this is really the case, it would be easier to nerf battlemage to add 50% of weapon damage or something.

This change will raise the power level of an average dropped weapon, which is kinda nice because levelling with attacks still sucks, but top roll weapons will still be just as hard to get. It especially makes sense considering the buff to veiled mods that are already on the weapon or rolled with veiled chaos orbs, and nerfs to crafting, it would seem they're just trying to make random drops better.

Did any of you even consider the possibility that this is just one of the following?

a) a blunder by the guy who created that weapon for the video using item editor and picking the wrong affix (pay attention to the different wording, it's "added physical damage to attacks" the regular mod is just "added physical damage")

b) a change to the wording of the affix that leads to a buggy tooltip?

c) a new modifier in addition to existing ones to buff stuff like SST


I mean, looking at GGGs most recent communication faux passes we can't entirely rule out the possibility that they are slaughtering all attack builds by removing local flat modifiers without even hinting it in their presentation of 3.14 but i think the chances of this are rather slim.

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zzang wrote:

Are you kidding us with this Abyssus 5k life 100+ex build?

It can do T19 100% deli deathless without HH.

100 EX for 65M DPS is cheap for majority of the builds.

Here's 30 EX for 45M BF DPS + 25M VDS, literally 1 second Sirus A9 last phase while having 200K EHP on average.



Compared to your Witch build which costs literally 20x more, mine does 5x more damage while having more EHP.

Me:



You:



So I'm not really sure what you're so upset about? We should be discussing about buffing Witches, not crying about melee power.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Did any of you even consider the possibility that this is just one of the following?

a) a blunder by the guy who created that weapon for the video using item editor and picking the wrong affix (pay attention to the different wording, it's "added physical damage to attacks" the regular mod is just "added physical damage")

b) a change to the wording of the affix that leads to a buggy tooltip?

c) a new modifier in addition to existing ones to buff stuff like SST


I mean, looking at GGGs most recent communication faux passes we can't entirely rule out the possibility that they are slaughtering all attack builds by removing local flat modifiers without even hinting it in their presentation of 3.14 but i think the chances of this are rather slim.

Of course, and it could be something experimental in alpha and a ton of other things, but what would be the point of discussing that? We can't be sure until the patch hits or GGG says something, but we're assuming that it is what it looks like because that would be a change worth talking about.

On the topic of slim chances, if this is some kind of a mistake and the reddit threads get enough traction, I imagine someone would chime in and say "oh, it's just a bug/typo, pay it no mind", they would have no reason to stay silent. However, if it's a real change, they probably wouldn't want to reveal it just yet. Now, it's possible they were busy with the stream or just haven't noticed, but if the threads stay prominent and they still aren't saying anything, the chances for this being real would be getting higher by day.

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dskato wrote:

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harvest is gone,

except that harvest is still going to be insane for rolling non-influenced weapons which most phys/impale/crit builds don't need any influenced mods on their weapon.

harvest IS gone.

to get something better than multimod weapon (that is barely enough nowadays unless you PoB-Warrior your way to victory) you had to get a 3-mod base first - this step requires either buying one (influenced so you cannot split print it yourself. this is gone anyway) or alt-imprint-regal'ing it. cost of imprinting quickly gets prohibitive (and im sure they will gut the Einhar atlas passives, with fire). removal of all annul crafts means any false step you make (bad coin flip) - your craft is gone

the only REALISTIC way of getting better-than-multimod weapon is if you hit 3 good mods with your essence and get lucky with your annul. 'realistic'

not that it matters anyway, if these changes go in, there is like seriously ZERO reason to play attack phys based weapons when you can buy good-enough caster weapon

not to mention: how many natural 'aug speed' have you found during last 3 months? how many aug crits? i keep my records, so i happen to know my 'good crafts history'. crafts that are 1ex now, are going to be 5ex+ and while now you could play without TFT, now youll be FORCED to participate in that social experiment

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This change will raise the power level of an average dropped weapon, which is kinda nice because levelling with attacks still sucks, but top roll weapons will still be just as hard to get. It especially makes sense considering the buff to veiled mods that are already on the weapon or rolled with veiled chaos orbs, and nerfs to crafting, it would seem they're just trying to make random drops better.

dropped weapon? what is that? i havent seen one in a while.

seriously. if one playstyle needs to bother with picking, iding and vendoring weapons and different one can skip it.. who is going to participate in the garbage collection simulator? same with unveiling. i have all veiled items outright filtered out. the UI for unveiling, the time wasted.. no, just no

+1 all spells, spell crit and crafted 'trigger socketed gems' - all i need to roll endgame. any other rolls - a nice bonus but honestly these 3 are enough. compare that with 4 mandatory mods on phys weapon