Harvest Changes - Kick and Scream

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I'm not sure if I qualify as a whale; maybe a small one? Like a beluga. I mean I've spent around $5k over the years.

I can say however that whales are perfectly capable of abandoning a game and moving on to another they feel needs their support, and want to spend their money on. Previous spending matters little to those that have already spent thousands, mostly because that money didnt really "matter" to begin with.

It is this point where I think GGG is most afraid. This is why they balance and cater to elites, streamers, and vocal whales. I think it's a terrible way to operate, but perhaps they think this is they only way to keep the game funded.

I for one am pretty put off by the development strategy currently. I would have no problem never playing again, and the money spent is not a factor. I am not playing this next league, and perhaps not even the rest of the year. I will certainly keep tabs on PoE, and track development on PoE2, but my time and money are going elsewhere for now.

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Overmind29 wrote:

In the end all they need is the whale minority to stay, and when they invested so much money already, they won't simply leave no matter what GGG does. Plus the whole "I am leaving this game" trend is in fact not what the people will really do despite saying so.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

^^

I wasnt responding to you directly at all, dont take everything so personally. It really isnt all about you or your opinion, though that may come as a shock to you.

I was responding to the sentiment below.

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Overmind29 wrote:

In the end all they need is the whale minority to stay, and when they invested so much money already, they won't simply leave no matter what GGG does. Plus the whole "I am leaving this game" trend is in fact not what the people will really do despite saying so.

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Noble_Seiken wrote:

It's one thing to responsibly decide how to spend your money, and another to broadcast or brag about it.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Noble_Seiken wrote:

It's one thing to responsibly decide how to spend your money, and another to broadcast or brag about it.

That's not it at all.

This isn't about bragging or deciding how to spend your money. It's about what those spending habits really mean in the end.

I think, as it was illustrated in the person I quoted, there is this notion that I spent "x" dollars, so now I'm tied to this game regardless of what the devs do, or how much I enjoy the game. That's not reality.

Maybe you could make a smaller case for those that stream and make a living off PoE (which is small comparatively), but for those that have dropped thousands over the years, they are more than capable of "moving on", and have done so. It's not really a factor. You cannot just assume that not matter what you do, whales will always spend their money with you.

In fact I would go as far as to say that the entire intention of support and funding has changed dramatically over the last few years. There isn't this feeling you are helping an indie developer reach their goals. That ship has sailed.

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gt33 wrote:

I stopped playing after Harvest, which was the league I had the most fun in, after reading the news about not going core.

I just recently heard that harvest came back and I thought to jump in the next league, but then I read the manifesto...

I am a solo player who plays about 28-30h/week and my issue is that without a deterministic or semi-deterministic way of crafting, I'll either have to buy almost all my gear through trading, which is not efficient (nor fun) when buying better than average gear imo or I will end up wasting a lot of currency on the stupid non-harvest RNG crafting system, which translates to a lot of time wasted, since I don't really like zoom zooming all the time and I am not highly efficient with obtaining currency. Both of these options are unfun for me. Farming for days to obtain enough currency for a crafting attempt to result to nothing is not fun and is likely to make me lose interest and stop playing.

Harvest allowed me to feel that my time invested translated to something, a smaller or bigger upgrade, depending on RNG. Then I would farm some more and have another, etc. That time spent farming was never for nothing. With the non harvest crafting systems in place, it usually is for nothing, maybe because my typical crafting session doesn't involve enough currency, meaning that it's not as wealthy as people who play a lot more hours per day than me.

As far as I am concerned, I am not after mirror tier items. It's not what I have in mind when I ask for harvest crafting to stay. I know that by playing solo, by playing a lot less than other players and by playing in a more relaxed and less zoom zoom way, I will not have as good gear as other people and this is fine. I am fine with gearing a couple of characters with good gear during a league, as long as I have fun in the process. I have fun when I can incrementally improve my gear by investing time, while I don't have fun when a casino crafting system steals my hard earned currency...

Playing on harvest league showed me that I could have incremental upgrades, which is enough to keep my interest up and have fun playing almost through the whole league. Without harvest crafting, I think I am better off not getting involved with PoE altogether and try some other similar game with a less RNG system of getting gear upgrades. Unfortunate, because PoE has a lot of depth and content variety, but in the core of it, there's a big flaw imo and that flaw is the wild RNG of the crafting system, which can suck the fun out of the game for enough casual or semi-hardcore players.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

They removed the intuitive crafts and made the remainder unusable on the only items that matter in the game.

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Exile009 wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

They removed the intuitive crafts and made the remainder unusable on the only items that matter in the game.

See that bolded part? That's the real problem. Recent thread on that issue -

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/mk9j0n/influenced_mods_were_a_mistake_they_are_the/

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3078162