Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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Kairuto2020 wrote:

GGG wants ideas for them to bounce the ideas among all the other data they have. If you guys just keep harping on how dead POE is, saying GGG is heading in wrong direction etc is not going to help you or them. GGG has more data that what a normal player can see or know. Its the same as all those criticism and flame forum on government around the world and do you think the government will listen to your grumblings or they rely on their research and data which covers millions of people?

If you want to help GGG, give them constructive ideas. Ideas that not only benefit yourself but potentially the millions of players out there. Steam player count is just a tiny fraction of the actual player count out there especially when taking China players tally into account.

If you say nerfing Harvest will drive away players and sales, then GGG need to see it on their next data set to know it is true. When Harvest was not added into core during Heist league, the sales and players count in Heist league did not drop but increase. So how do one justify that without Harvest POE is dead?

There are some ideas being thrown in here that I am sure GGG taken note of and maybe it will be implemented/tweaked in future league and GGG appreciate all that.

They've had many constructive ideas, they've acknowledged none of them, and continue to censor posts.

Stop defending GGG so blindly.

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Kairuto2020 wrote:

GGG wants ideas for them to bounce the ideas among all the other data they have. If you guys just keep harping on how dead POE is, saying GGG is heading in wrong direction etc is not going to help you or them. GGG has more data that what a normal player can see or know. Its the same as all those criticism and flame forum on government around the world and do you think the government will listen to your grumblings or they rely on their research and data which covers millions of people?

If you want to help GGG, give them constructive ideas. Ideas that not only benefit yourself but potentially the millions of players out there. Steam player count is just a tiny fraction of the actual player count out there especially when taking China players tally into account.

If you say nerfing Harvest will drive away players and sales, then GGG need to see it on their next data set to know it is true. When Harvest was not added into core during Heist league, the sales and players count in Heist league did not drop but increase. So how do one justify that without Harvest POE is dead?

There are some ideas being thrown in here that I am sure GGG taken note of and maybe it will be implemented/tweaked in future league and GGG appreciate all that.

Wow. You whole argument is mindblowingly flawed.

Like it has been said, there were tons of constructive ideas even before the manifesto was announced. GGG re-introduced Harvest in a way that was just shortsighted. Then they ignored all constructive ideas and went for overkill nerfs instead. That fact has been one of the biggest concerns throughout the whole thread. How could you possibly miss that?

The rest of your arguement is essentially based on the idea, that GGG has lots of data and the manifesto is based on that data. However, the manifesto clearly states that the nerfs are about GGGs philosophy, so there is absolutely no reason to assume that they based their decision on any data in the first place. That is the second big concern.

You actually managed to miss the whole point of the criticism completety.

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there have been some people (between the really loud pro- and anti-harvest change people....) that offered constructive criticism and there's just no sign that they are actually reading them. i mean... i want to believe they are and just won't say anything just yet, but the way the manifesto was written doesn't give me a lot of hope lol

in the long run, i think the harvest nerfs are mostly fine. they would have to rebalance the game around it if it stayed that way, making everything far too powerful and almost impossible to do for the average player without godly gear. i had fun with it and yeah i'm sad about it, but after thinking about it for a while, it was needed. the nerfs arent so bad that its completely useless anyways and is still very viable; just needs more effort put in (and yeah, a little more rng).

HOWEVER, i still wish they would make them tradeable because this doesn't solve the scamming problem at all. that's the one thing i'm just absolutely hoping they're considering, if they're reading any of this at all. making harvests tradeable isn't going to make it any more overpowered because people are already doing that through tft anyways, and the nerfs aren't going to stop it. i'm not sure why they can't make it like beast orbs, unless they're worried about bots taking it over or something, but... you have people running 6 accounts to farm beasts and feared rotas, so...

My solution for Harvest would be to rewire the craft costs, instead of life force it should be the corresponding orb it imitates.

That Way even those buying crafts will need way more currency to create perfect items and the remove 1 for 1 wont be used in bulk because annulment orbs are rare.

Harvest is too cheap for its own good,life force has no value outside of harvest so by making the player pay the Orb he wants to use as a harvest craft it increases the value of all currency items used in harvest crafting.

Chris Wrote: "Using currency items like Exalted Orbs or Chaos Orbs on your gear is a powerful, risky and exciting way to improve it. But because these items work equally well on both low- and high-level equipment, it's generally considered best to save them until you're crafting your end-game gear."

How is it you can be so out of touch with the highest percentage of your player base?

Oh, wait, you did post that the largest percentage of the player base will never get past mid-tier maps and that you were ok with that. So you are out of touch by choice.

Well, being one of the little guys (and according to you) I'll never get to endgame gear to use currency on. So your statement does not resonate with me and the largest percentage of your player base.

Also, because you don't pay attention to the little guy, please understand that we do not waste Exalted Orbs or Chaos Orbs on gear. You've got way too much crap in your RNG engine for us to use them like that. Most of us will only see 4-5 Exalted Orbs in any given league. We save them, not for spamming on end game gear. We will never see it and you are ok with that. We save them to give to insensitive traders that post things for sale, but may or may not respond to buyers. And Chaos Orbs? These are mainly used for trade or rerolling crap mods on maps.

WE DO NOT USE THESE CURRENCIES ON GEAR DUDE!

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Chyster wrote:

Chris Wrote: "Using currency items like Exalted Orbs or Chaos Orbs on your gear is a powerful, risky and exciting way to improve it. But because these items work equally well on both low- and high-level equipment, it's generally considered best to save them until you're crafting your end-game gear."

How is it you can be so out of touch with the highest percentage of your player base?

Oh, wait, you did post that the largest percentage of the player base will never get past mid-tier maps and that you were ok with that. So you are out of touch by choice.

Well, being one of the little guys (and according to you) I'll never get to endgame gear to use currency on. So your statement does not resonate with me and the largest percentage of your player base.

Also, because you don't pay attention to the little guy, please understand that we do not waste Exalted Orbs or Chaos Orbs on gear. You've got way too much crap in your RNG engine for us to use them like that. Most of us will only see 4-5 Exalted Orbs in any given league. We save them, not for spamming on end game gear. We will never see it and you are ok with that. We save them to give to insensitive traders that post things for sale, but may or may not respond to buyers. And Chaos Orbs? These are mainly used for trade or rerolling crap mods on maps.

WE DO NOT USE THESE CURRENCIES ON GEAR DUDE!

GGG confirmed that they are doing the game for 1%, I think that the conversation with them can be ended.

yay now us 1% players can keep getting richer and push into shrinking to the 0,05% of base. HEHEHE I pity the pleb. Give me your mirrors for the items I have harvest crafted and hoarded in standard.Thanks GGG making harvest legacy is the best !!!

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spokipo wrote:

GGG confirmed that they are doing the game for 1%, I think that the conversation with them can be ended.

Conversation you say....
I thought it needed two side for that, so far this looks more like a player monolog to me...

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Okkuro wrote:

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spokipo wrote:

GGG confirmed that they are doing the game for 1%, I think that the conversation with them can be ended.

Conversation you say....
I thought it needed two side for that, so far this looks more like a player monolog to me...

Figuratively =)