Massive RIP to PoE.
" Completely agree on not being able to trust Blizzard. However in this case the remaster is being done by a different studio, with a very good record. As far as end game goes, that's why I keep pointing out they're going to let players mod the game just like the old D2. And trust me if you haven't seen the work they've put into these mods, it's amazing. All new skills, items, and even end game maps. I want to add though I haven't seen any actual amount of people saying it's going to kill poe. However it's a big enough threat that ggg needs to, and will consider it. |
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so what you're saying is, this game is going to be amazing and a threat to poe because of mods that regular people make for the game for free? all while the game will sell for 40 bucks? (base version)
starting to sound like blizzard is just re-releasing diablo2 with a facelift and is relying on people to mod the game for free to make any changes they won't dare attempt, since they're so far removed from what a good game looks like now-a-days. and they have no problem profiting off of that. not only that, but solely relying on that! its blizzard's version of RPGmaker. "here guys its our game you love so much, we updated the graphics and are selling it to you at full price again so you can mod it and make it great!" sounds like blizzard |
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" I haven't watched any of the trailer videos or youtuber breakdowns yet, but I agree that full mod support has to be a huge factor on this subject. Real Time Strategy games were never my forte, even though I played C&C, SC, and WC. The 'use map settings' custom games were an absolute gamechanger for players like me who quickly got bored of the core gameplay and wanted wild and wacky stuff. Those custom games easily extended the shelf life of the titles Starcraft and Warcraft by 100x for me. And if there are even 1,000 people making sanctioned mods for D2 it's a huge huge difference than a stock remaster. |
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" I'm normally happy to play critic/cynic but honestly it's hard to compete with crowdsourcing these days. Especially if your player pool is in the millions. So much talent, creativity, and free time to tap into and honestly if it wasn't there players would 1. complain its a missing feature, and 2. do it anyway illegally. |
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for those who wants more info on it and to see more of the game, mr llama did an interview with the devs on the blizzconline stuffs...
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/920729850?t=02h46m45s llama is a total purist addict so he drills them on the details, he wants to know the juice that matters. " theyre also making d4 right? they have ideas for things a diablo game should have that d2 didnt and theyre putting them in d4 (for better or worse). the purists who want a d2 remake want it to be almost identical to the original in most respects.... but that means its a limited game with no endgame or staying power in 2021 so you let people mod it and that solves that problem. i think median, pod etc kept the game going, and yeah, these people will develop it and make their own money from patreon or donations etc to keep doing it, they will shoulder the bourdon of continued development. blizzard have those resources and energy but it will go into diablo 4. diablo4s gameplay looks rly cool, the graphics etc look cool, the items look absolutely dogshit, the skilltrees look very diablo 2 (tiny and 20 years out of date). i dunno, d2r looks great ill buy it and play it a lot, but not as much as poe, same with d4. theres room in my life for all of them. it might even turn out well for poe, sure it might suck away some players, if the mod scene is good maybe even make regular dents for a niche of people. but d2 at its core is a game with no endgame and terrible qol. if people get it, play it and think man this is way better than d3 but im bored now, what next? then theres poe right? oh theres this other game that is like d2 but a million times better with enough content to play for 15,000+ hours? poe blatantly profited from d3s dropoff. i came here for a weekend, free game going into open beta, im so fking bored of d3 and theyre not fixing the problems, lets try out this poe thing. looks super amateur hour made in mums basement but maybe theres some fun there for a few days/weeks... 8 years, 15000 hours and $1000 later... the diablo games and their inability to satisfy the modern audiences hunger for content has done wonders for poe. without d3 theres 10 million arpg players who didnt get dragged back into the arpg scene by blizzards ip reach. poe2 landing 3-6 months after D2R could be a gigantic boon for ggg. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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I played d2 for the first time about four years ago. The base game sucks compared to PoE. you have to play that player created mod in order for it be really interesting. And even then... It's like the Lego version of PoE. PoE 5 years ago.
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The hardcore player base, like many of the forumers here, probably wouldn't abandon PoE to play D2, or any other games, even if the game is 2nd coming of Backstreet Boys.
Many average causal PoE players will, who have been tolerating all the BAD about PoE that Chris ignored, however. This forum, & the subreddit are echo chambers dominated by the hardcore PoE gamers & white knights, & think the average ARPG gamers think PoE is the best thing ever out of NZ after LoTR. |
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" nice cope resurrected, however, doesn't look like the timeless masterpiece diablo 2 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEI7lNUScos |
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Honestly i dont see the apeal. It doesnt look as good as people try to make it, shown gameplay is slow and boring. I would honestly take D3 over it.
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plenty of people do prefer D3 over it but much of the reception of D3 and the constant stick that it gets is because there is a fairly large divide between the two.
Its unlikely if you love 2 you'd like 3 and vice versa because all they really share is a name in terms of ARPG style, 3 has about as much in common as torchlight does. Nothing wrong with that just explaining why you don't get that many players that love both. Half of the players that currently love D3 will get the remaster of 2 and find they hate it lol |
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