How do people play Casters in this game ?

Feels like you are underestimating the burst and overestimating the damage needed to take down bosses. You don't need 100 million DPS, around 20 is sufficient. This type of damage is much easier to produce by miners who are able to stack mines on top of bosses before they become active.

Maybe, none of my builds reaches even 10 mio dps so naturally i have no first hand experience with bursting down endgame bosses in seconds. My point is that most of the playerbase in a league setting will have about the same level of gear that i have, probably even below that. And my Miner is miles away from being able to burst down endgame bosses. Mapbosses, yeah sure if there aren't any defensive mods on the map. But Sirus, Shaper and sorts, no way. And if i have to fight a boss for 5 minutes straight, then i rather do it on a build that won't die everytime he gets hit. If you can just burst them down in seconds, good for you, it's certainly the best way to do things. But i doubt that there is more than .1% of the playerbase that ever gets the gear to do so. And if you have the gear, why not just make an earth shatter build and oneshot the bosses?

By the time they reach Sirus, Shaper, etc. players should have the tools to create boss bursting characters or at least something close to that. Its a matter of knowledge. Promoting tanky builds will only hinder clear speed and subsequent progress.

Looking at this forum, and in parts also on reddit, i think promoting tanky builds would solve far more problems than it would cause. We have at least 1 topic a day where someone complains about one shots for exactly the reasons i am talking about here. They made some glass cannon build following the "dps is the best defense" mantra and end up getting fucked by endgame content because they lack DPS. Besides, it's not like tanky builds can't have solid clear and DPS as well. You can just start building for defense while your gear is weak and once you get the currency you can start cutting defenses for more DPS.

The whole situation here reminds me of my SC BW noob times where all the good players told me to play FE against Zerg because it's the best opener but the only good that ever did for me was having 5k overmins by the time i die. The best strategy becomes worthless if you don't have the means to pull it off properly.

There are some hella tanky casters. BFBB Chieftain for one. DD Necro for two. And many more...just look at SSFHC leaderboard....plenty of caster..But yeah most r just banking on DPS to carry them to riches then build an alt for bossing.

Beware unless you see some layered defenses and over 6K life and 10K ES, hybrid or life/MoM...you will get one shot. Aura stackers is a whole different ball game...you know game by then.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

By the time they reach Sirus, Shaper, etc. players should have the tools to create boss bursting characters or at least something close to that. Its a matter of knowledge. Promoting tanky builds will only hinder clear speed and subsequent progress.

Very true. Hard to use two 1c obliterations as melee. Those cheap wands will make you rich enough to build anything u want quicker than anything else. Basically casters are price/performance leaders.

There is no contest in favor of casters.

At the very end of the spectrum melee are both slower and less tanky.

Probably yes as mentioned the only good of melee chars is that nowadays they can kill sirus on rag gear, but it ends there.

You cannot turn your melee char into a walking simulator like any BV variant (random example from the forum: https://youtu.be/5m0TVTHCm_U)

The hirony is that not only casters can get those 10-15k+ ES builds, life based casters are better tanks than attack based chars, they just use a good stick with a shield and go up to 9k hp with max block and still deal more than a melee char. (random example from the forums: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2910945 or look for VD necros or any spell with a shield really)

These are just random example, you can find plenty of stuff around like indigon BV PF, some 200ex bow build, whatever

Meanwhile alkaizer with the entire tree invested into life and defense with a 1k dps axe can barely do 2-3mil probably and only because using earthshatter + warcries nuke

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ZaeN wrote:

You cannot turn your melee char into a walking simulator like any BV variant (random example from the forum: https://youtu.be/5m0TVTHCm_U)

And what exactly stops a cyclone build (or whatever other skill really) from slapping on an explody chest and a headhunter like the guy in that vid and do EXACTLY the same thing? Turning high end content into a walking simulator is a matter of currency and nothing else. At some point it doesn't even matter what skill you use.

Here is random example from reddit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1hFr01PzKY

Fun fact, the only 2 vids with <50 sec kills are melee builds, strike skills even. The worst skills there are according to some people.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

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ZaeN wrote:

You cannot turn your melee char into a walking simulator like any BV variant (random example from the forum: https://youtu.be/5m0TVTHCm_U)

And what exactly stops a cyclone build (or whatever other skill really) from slapping on an explody chest and a headhunter like the guy in that vid and do EXACTLY the same thing? I mean turning high end content into a walking simulator is a matter of currency and nothing else. At some point it doesn't even matter what skill you use.

Here is random example from reddit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1hFr01PzKY

Fun fact, the only 2 vids with <50 sec kills are melee builds, strike skills even. The worst skills there are according to some people.

Man I am a 99% strike player (just check my chars) but you got to face the realities of the mechanics of the game.

In the mentioned comparison Cyclone mechanically gives 30% less movespeed.
BV is free speed full dmg. Assassin elusive or PF = 200+ movespeed at full damage full BV stacks, 5-10+ mil dmg at 200 movespeed, gl doing that with melee (not just cyclone).

Non melee stuff is simply enabled to do some crazy shit that attack/melee tags can dream of, be it go at 200 movespeed in a 100% T16 or stand into everything while still doing 5mil dmg

That zerker vid is but a single instance of a zerker doing zerker business that is bursting before dead.

Then I see crazy shit that melee/life based can dream of
https://youtu.be/5elC9dmXLiE
https://youtu.be/ThFBunBAuo8

Fine, think what you want, i don't care. This is too ridculous to even argue about it.