Atlas Passive Trees in Path of Exile: Echoes of the Atlas

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Lifeb wrote:

Please change Packed with Energy, as far as I can see it's the only one granting more power to the player, and has no businnes being in there, these Passive Trees are good untill they are optional, and if they give more damage or movement speed they are not optional.

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muzein wrote:

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wolfwing wrote:

is it fun never beating the game because you can't get the maps or gear to drop and don't find spending half the game finding if something is worth selling just so you can actually have a chance to play the game?

The worst aspect of this game is how impossible it is for casuals even non SSF to just beat the the end game. Not because their build sucks, but because your expected to be able to find enough items to buy maps rather then getting them through the game.

I love this game, but the game relies WAY too heavily on playing the Ah and getting lucky drops to be much fun half the time.

Honestly, that sounds like a you problem. Do you know how better players get around that? They get more currency out of their time played than you. And if I'm suggesting that Echoes will result in players getting less (market) value out of their time, then more people will be shunted into your boat of dissatisfaction and not the other way around.

As for maps - those seem to be one of the things which will increase in value if the meta deems certain areas of the Atlas "viable" to farm.

You claim that your build doesn't suck but that you don't farm up enough currency - That sounds like a contradiction to me - you ought to be able to farm up currency quite comfortably... if you're not then I wonder if you rely too heavily on currency and uniques than rares/jewels/crafting to earn exalts (in which case, this expansion will likely make that more difficult for you).

Echoes will enable you to do more of what you like to do -- Just don't expect big gains from it. If you like Betrayal or Delve or Abyss; good news you can do it more than ever. If you like doing those for profit: it might not turn out so great.

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Hartsa wrote:

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wolfwing wrote:

is it fun never beating the game because you can't get the maps or gear to drop and don't find spending half the game finding if something is worth selling just so you can actually have a chance to play the game?

The worst aspect of this game is how impossible it is for casuals even non SSF to just beat the the end game. Not because their build sucks, but because your expected to be able to find enough items to buy maps rather then getting them through the game.

I love this game, but the game relies WAY too heavily on playing the Ah and getting lucky drops to be much fun half the time.

If casual could "complete" the game it would suck for those play more than average. That being said Im going to set my goal here and now. I want 24 challenges completed, 2 builds working, see maven fight. If Im able to win that fight it is extra. With these done I consider this league completed for me.

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wolfwing wrote:

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Hartsa wrote:

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wolfwing wrote:

is it fun never beating the game because you can't get the maps or gear to drop and don't find spending half the game finding if something is worth selling just so you can actually have a chance to play the game?

The worst aspect of this game is how impossible it is for casuals even non SSF to just beat the the end game. Not because their build sucks, but because your expected to be able to find enough items to buy maps rather then getting them through the game.

I love this game, but the game relies WAY too heavily on playing the Ah and getting lucky drops to be much fun half the time.

If casual could "complete" the game it would suck for those play more than average. That being said Im going to set my goal here and now. I want 24 challenges completed, 2 builds working, see maven fight. If Im able to win that fight it is extra. With these done I consider this league completed for me.

Well when I say casuals, I don't mean skill, i mean more time spent. the biggest hurdle in this game isn't skill to play, it's RNG and your ability to game the AH. Beating atlas isn't about being the best skilled, it's about how luck you are in getting maps to drop and or getting enough cash to buy the maps.

I've played this game a unhealthy amount in some leagues and always hit red maps and give up, not because it's too hard, but because it's impossible to keep running maps higher then 12 long enough to beat atlas, and never get enough cash or items to sell to be able to buy them.