In the current state of game, what speaks against vacuum pickups?

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Liquid_stone wrote:

so you want to make game even faster?! why? why do you even play the game if you dont have time to play it?

why not make the system where there is no loot at all dropping and before you go to town, you can open up a window with all items combined and sorted depending on your filter so you can click on items you want to transfer in to your stash, so you dont have to manually do it.

why even bother with loot, just give as at the beginning the option to create our own items so we dont have to bother upgrading later?

why play loot based game at all if i have to pick up loot?

It sounds like you didn't read the OP at all, or maybe you didn't understand it. I encourage you to re-read it and also watch the video linked at the top. Maybe that will clear up any confusion.

Anyways, I don't care about faster or slower, I care about the quality of life this is about.
It WILL make the game somewhat faster, that's true. But that's hardly a relevant factor, I don't think anyone who complains about the game being too fast is talking about the looting. If so, that would just be hilariously self-deluded because looting is anything but fast in this game.
More specifically: Do you filter away small currency and just buy it from trade bots when you need it?
If so, congratulations: You are a hypocrite, mate. You complain about the game being too fast and at the same time contribute to it yourself with item filters. Being against this because it would make the game too fast is incredibly insincere.
Or do you actually pick up all the small currencies? If that's the case then I apologize.

In any case I don't get that way of thinking, not at all. What's with the stance against this QoL for the fear that it will "make the game faster"? Where is the actual harm in that?

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Wissle wrote:

In any case I don't get that way of thinking, not at all. What's with the stance against this QoL for the fear that it will "make the game faster"? Where is the actual harm in that?

This is more than QoL. And you should understand that.

Picking up loot is essential in loot-based games. Hell, I've played A LOT of loot-based games in my 30+ years old gaming "career", and I don't think I've come across any game that automatically picks up loot for you. It goes against the psychological/emotional reaction of dropping - and picking up - something good.

Anyhow, YOU could say "but I only want it for small currency", while Jimmy over there is asking the game to pick up EVERYTHING for him. Needless to say, it's a slippery slope that is WAY MORE than "QoL".

As I've said before; Auto pickup is treating the symptoms and not the cause. The drop systen needs a serious overhaul. I could see AoE-pickup. I could see picking up a chance orbs, automatically picks up all other chance orbs in an area. But to just run through a map, and "the game" picks up everything for you? Nah, fuck that.

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Phrazz wrote:

I could see AoE-pickup. I could see picking up a chance orbs, automatically picks up all other chance orbs in an area.

Which is exactly what this thread is asking for. Thanks for further confirming my suspicion that anyone who is against this didn't even bother reading what was said in the first post and just assumed things.

Just remove small currency from the loot-table and finally accept that chaos orbs are the common currency. Then make small currency purchasable from NPC vendors (could even implement a dynamic system of demand-determined prices) for the few times in a league where you need them.
Make splinters auto-converge into stacks on drop (thats why there are so many single splinter drops btw) and boom HUGE QoL improvement + fixing some botting issues.

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Wissle wrote:

Which is exactly what this thread is asking for. Thanks for further confirming my suspicion that anyone who is against this didn't even bother reading what was said in the first post and just assumed things.

It's a thread, with a lot of posts. You should understand that a lot of people are participating in the debate that is going on, and not necessarily debating the original post. You can't deny that there are people in this post that want autopickup.

Anyhow, I've written in this post before - and I'm fairly sure your OP looked different before. It's kinda hard to keep track, when you keep editing your OP for a month.

But still, the biggest offender here, is the drop system - and not how you pick it up.

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Wissle wrote:

This is not about autopickup of stuff without any direct interaction, this is about picking up same-items once you click one of them like this video illustrates:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/kz57mo/i_wish_ggg_would_introduce_similar_feature_for/

It seems it's frequently asked for when the topic of "loot" comes up:

Vacuum pickup. When you click one item of a type, all "same" items in the vicinity get picked up too.
For example clicking one alteration orb will pick up all the other alteration orbs that are close enough to it etc.

That would be a huge QoL improvement, reducing clicking in this game seems highly desirable.

But it didn't happen yet for some reason, so I wonder why. I have yet to see any argument against that that outweighs the QoL and health benefits.
What speaks against such a system in the current state of game?

P.S.
Before anyone points that out:
It could be disabled in party play, just make it a single-player-only feature to avoid problems.

€dit:
This is just about currency/stackables/consumable stuff (a), not equipment(b).

Big YES from me on the OP.
Last Epoch has this system and its amazing in my opinion.

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Phrazz wrote:

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Wissle wrote:

Which is exactly what this thread is asking for. Thanks for further confirming my suspicion that anyone who is against this didn't even bother reading what was said in the first post and just assumed things.

It's a thread, with a lot of posts. You should understand that a lot of people are participating in the debate that is going on, and not necessarily debating the original post. You can't deny that there are people in this post that want autopickup.

Anyhow, I've written in this post before - and I'm fairly sure your OP looked different before. It's kinda hard to keep track, when you keep editing your OP for a month.

But still, the biggest offender here, is the drop system - and not how you pick it up.

I don't deny it. But even so that's not what the thread is about and I am 90% sure nobody actually asked for "autopickup" in this thread. Again, you are just assuming without actually reading. Not to mention you are talking to me directly - even quoting me - addressing what I said and at no point have I asked for anything other than what the OP is still about.
I keep editing the OP?
"Last edited by Wissle on Jan 17, 2021, 1:52:08 PM"
Which is when I added this reddit post because it's about the same thing and it shows what it's about for people who cannot read
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/kz57mo/i_wish_ggg_would_introduce_similar_feature_for/


"But still, the biggest offender here, is the drop system - and not how you pick it up."
True. But the overhaul for that is I don't know how far away and there's no reason they cannot include THIS fix that THIS thread is about into that overhaul.


I don't get what you are doing. You literally accidentally agreed with the OP just now. Please do us both a favor and just agree clearly once more and then stop trying to construct a narrative that's just not there and thus wasting both of our time.

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Sarciss wrote:

Just remove small currency from the loot-table and finally accept that chaos orbs are the common currency.

As opposed to another thread talking about getting rid of chaos orbs because people are almost at the point of ignoring them already. What's next get rid of everything but mirrors?

Taking an item out of the game because someone is too lazy to stop and pick it up is terrible logic. Run a strict filter and ignore the items, or stop and pick them up.

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Sarciss wrote:

Then make small currency purchasable from NPC vendors (could even implement a dynamic system of demand-determined prices) for the few times in a league where you need them.

How about we do it the other way around. No items drop, only small currency drops and you have to save up a few hundred thousand augment orbs to get lvl 86 base items to craft? Doesn't sound so cool anymore, does it?

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You can trade for small currency with other players. If you pick some up yourself while leveling and early mapping, then you will have enough for most of your personal needs (aside from trying to craft some top gear).

Asking for vendors to have what you want or for the game to vacuum up pickups is like asking vendors to kill Sirus for you, or for the game to autorun a Delirium map to save you the time.

Imagine the "QoL" if every fusing orb gave you a six link, or every drop was a Mirror of Kalandra! What a time saver!

Instead of such QoL as OP asks for, we should be asking for more QBL - Quit Being Lazy.

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Wissle wrote:

I don't get what you are doing. You literally accidentally agreed with the OP just now. Please do us both a favor and just agree clearly once more and then stop trying to construct a narrative that's just not there and thus wasting both of our time.

I didn't "accidentally" agree with the OP; I do, somewhat, agree with the OP. I was just stumbling into a conversation between you and that other guy.

But I'm always in favor of treating the root of problems, without adding bandaids that people get "used to", and will whine like babies if they're taken away from them. But you and I have had this conversation earlier in this thread, we don't need to repeat it.

But yes, if their hellbent on keeping the current mess that is the drop system, I'm pro a vacuum system. If not, keep it away.