Should PoE still be advertised for its variety in abilities and options?

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sidtherat wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

(...)why would anyone play the build that could clear docks in 10min, when they could use a build that clear it in 1min.

try play this crap you call 'adequate' for once, getting 100 with carrion golems is many times easier than getting 95 with 2h Cleave, even if you spend twice the money on the melee build..

Sid, please, give it one more read. I called them inadequate since the beggining.

EDIT: and I'm playing stone, not carrions, please check because it is different build that carrions+spectres.
EDIT 2: If you're looking for a strong cleave try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asg_743907c

No, and I don't believe it is. Right now it seems mostly a case of 'we're the only game in town and we know it, here's our latest league gimmick and metagame, enjoy'.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

No, and I don't believe it is. Right now it seems mostly a case of 'we're the only game in town and we know it, here's our latest league gimmick and metagame, enjoy'.

+1

Chris is a marketing god. As bitter as I am about the state of the game, I have to acknowledge he rocks at selling it.

Well, I don't think he's incompetent enough to bankrupt a casino, let's put it that way.

No, I don't think so.

They keep nerfing ascendencies and skills so no.

They've been trying to "balance" abilities and content since 2013. Seven years! I mean, they're redesigning the Atlas again!

I just feel so disappointed at where this game is today. I've played off and on since beta and it could be so much more, and so much less. It's just a convoluted mess now and it's frustrating.

I see the design process as:

1) Nerf builds
2) Insert new one-shot mechanics

It's old now. Very old.

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Nomancs wrote:

EDIT 2: If you're looking for a strong cleave try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asg_743907c

well..

< 5k HP + abyssus

low damage despite having gosu weapon (522 pdps crit foil ffs - 30ex in trade league minimum)

quite bonkers rest of the gear

LOW CLEAR SPEED and he DIED during showcase (ofc he edited it out but check the xp bar..)

if that is the 'good' Cleave build then here you have it.. my meme no-buttons needed skeleton mages/Soulwrest/Kitavas Thirst doesnt jump that fast but it clears maps at a similar pace while costing less than 1/50th of this Cleaver (seriously, he has awakened multistrike, gosu weapon, item editor chest, rings, jewels.. and the end result is preeeeetty bad. and it is not author's fault. it is just a build that doesnt check any 'meta build checklist' boxes..)

oh and Cleave is Dual Wield only.. playing it with 1h+shield or 2h is a mistake: gem damage calculation and mechanic strongly promote DW

you want to know how to improve this build? Replace Cleave with Bladestorm for level up or Cyclone for two level ups. done. Cleave has nothing going for it and any build with it is crap by definition..


want to see a build that checks one checkbox, costs 100 times less (literally) and actually has the damage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSkirGk9a6o
start here if you want to skip the boring:
https://youtu.be/hSkirGk9a6o?t=251
yes, this one also is low hp but a) you can fix that with money, gear he uses looks like crap, b) i havent seen him needing more hp tbh

Guys straight talk.

Life Melee in this game is garbage.

Melee is best played as Intelligence Stacking combined with Aura Effect Stacking and CI.

Here Alkaizers Dream build:

33 000 Energy Shield without ES skill node on the tree investment thats how you roll today, CI (chaos immune), 90 res all, 91 000 Evasion, Instant leech thanks to ES gain on hit Watchers Eye (kuddos GGG nice addition to make ES even better)

Bunch of damage reductions from flasks; natures patience, damage taken as X conversion and fortify.

PoB: https://pastebin.com/FiaVd6S5

Performance Video Solo Delve 2558 Habinger Node with damage mods (one of the deadliest for melee):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8eO3zXso-Q

Still someone in the room who thinks his life melee build is good?


Well here is another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAvapWY4IG4

PoB: https://pastebin.com/EP5CpzGV

CI Aura Effect Stacking + Armour Stacking with Transcendence of course otherwise armour would be friggin garbage.

up to 2 Million Armour without Armour nodes or Armour gear pieces thats how you roll today if you want high armour values.

Why transcendence so good?

Well it turns the armour formular around and make it apply AFTER flat reduction in this case resistance resulting in a lot smaller number for the shitty armour formular to mitigate (good job whoever designed this you made armour good but only when used with transcendense).

According to guide creator 97% resist with trascendense
88% Flat physical damage reduction without any armour
9000% increased damage with replica 2x dream feathers

There is really not more to tell about balance in this game.
People can chose to play something that works for content from 2017. Next Atlas rework probably brings higher dps checks and higher monster life. So those 2017 dual nebuloch builds will be left in the non viability range.

If you arent Aura Effect Stacking or Intelligence Stacking you are doing it wrong in 2020.


Edit: Of course you can play a 0 exalt budget summoner and scale into AL 8 Sirus with strand gear.

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zzang wrote:

Still someone in the room who thinks his life melee build is good?

Good enough. That's the point. Having a billion DPS and 100k ES is nice for bragging but has very little use outside of it as it's simply not needed to play this game, even the toughest content can be done with much less. Besides, try make those 2 builds work without investing at least a 100 EX into each of them. Even without looking at the POBs I am sure the cluster jewels alone cost more than my entire account.

Yeah they make "normal" builds look like shit, heck they should with this much cost. Doesn't change the fact that normal build suffice to beat the game. On a power scale from 1-10 you need a 3, maybe a 4 to do all content in this game. You keep rambling on about builds that are a 9 or even 10 on the scale. Yeah they exist, yeah they are better than everything else but once again, THEY AREN'T NEEDED. Like not at all.

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sidtherat wrote:

want to see a build that checks one checkbox, costs 100 times less (literally) and actually has the damage?

Have you read the comments under that video? The build has been nerfed and now does 10% of the damage it used to. The build used a loophole missed by the coders, which made Infractem Forks do many times the number of hits they're supposed to. It's been fixed now.