Off Topic - Real Money Auction House RMAH for poe - Forum

" stkmro wrote: " leeho730 wrote: Becase you guys's biggest mistake is the assumption that circulated game points will not be removed from the economy. You assume people will not buy pets and other stuffs and that they will use points almost solely for trading items? It's like you guys saying that Steam Wallet feature will drive blak market since some people will want to get rid of money they have in the account (let's not forget the fact that Steam Wallet money can be gifted etc). The way I see it, game points are more like Steam Wallet dollars than anything else, like gold from WoW. But at least you guys and I agree on one point: trading with points or RMAH are unethical and thus should never be implemented into PoE, since trading with points will also foster black market and gold farming. your comment that "trading with rmah is unethical" is totally invalid and complete nonsense. if player A has outgrown with his immortal king and wants to sell it to player B for $$$ via rmah, it is a willing buyer and willing seller scenario. nobody is pointing a gun at anybody's head and saying he/she should sell the item. both sides are willing parties and there is nothing unethical about this. Well, I believe PoE should go how Steam does trading: trading invoves items or gift certifiate. https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6748-ETSG-5417#whattrade " What items can be traded? Currently, Steam gifts/games, Team Fortress 2 items, Spiral Knights items and Portal 2 items can all be traded. Steam strongly discourages using money to trade items: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9958-MJDG-3003 " Do not trade for anything that cannot be added into the trade window within Steam. The most common examples of these scenarios are the following: Trading items/gifts for money. You cannot add wallet credit or any form of money into the trade window. A common example of this is trading for items/gifts in return for money via PayPal. That's where I got my idea of using game points for trading came from; we may buy "gift certificate" or something and use that instead of items for trading as well. But I was convinced enough that trading using game points is as bad as RMAH...	Posted by leeho730#6859 on Apr 30, 2012, 1:11:07 PM Quote this Post
Perhaps the better idea is buying one of the Shop items as a gift and use it for trade when trading on the website or in-game trading.	Posted by leeho730#6859 on Apr 30, 2012, 1:13:24 PM Quote this Post
" leeho730 wrote: Becase you guys's biggest mistake is the assumption that circulated game points will not be removed from the economy. I never assumed any such thing. I "assumed" (if you want to call "refering to emperical evidence in similarly constructed economies" and "referencing basic economic principles" as assuming...) that you are completely off base saying that there will be meaingful inflation. Then I pointed out the business model advantages of keeping people from buying small items piecemeal, instead requiring a larger and pre-set "package" amount. Unless people get mad and quit playing because of the slight difference, it is better to make people buy at least $10 worth of points, then allow them to spend just $3 to add a character slot.	Posted by AgentDave#2974 on Apr 30, 2012, 1:40:07 PM Quote this Post
" AgentDave wrote: " leeho730 wrote: Becase you guys's biggest mistake is the assumption that circulated game points will not be removed from the economy. I never assumed any such thing. I "assumed" (if you want to call "refering to emperical evidence in similarly constructed economies" and "referencing basic economic principles" as assuming...) that you are completely off base saying that there will be meaingful inflation. Then I pointed out the business model advantages of keeping people from buying small items piecemeal, instead requiring a larger and pre-set "package" amount. Unless people get mad and quit playing because of the slight difference, it is better to make people buy at least $10 worth of points, then allow them to spend just $3 to add a character slot. Yeah, let's talk about supporting GGG, making people buying $10 package at a time. You go buy some support package and we shall talk more shall we? Sounds like you care about PoE so much so that you'd rather make people pay for every single point through GGG so why don't you do that yourself instead of just talking about "how other people should do?" Last edited by leeho730#6859 on Apr 30, 2012, 2:06:15 PM	Posted by leeho730#6859 on Apr 30, 2012, 2:05:38 PM Quote this Post
You seem to have a strong tendency to not actually read the posts you reply to leeho. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 30, 2012, 2:27:35 PM Quote this Post
" leeho730 wrote: Yeah, let's talk about supporting GGG, making people buying $10 package at a time. You go buy some support package and we shall talk more shall we? Sounds like you care about PoE so much so that you'd rather make people pay for every single point through GGG so why don't you do that yourself instead of just talking about "how other people should do?" The $10 donation doesn't give a forum title. How do you know I haven't? (Not that I see how it matters... discussing whether something is a good or bad business model has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not one finds the product itself desirable, or has the discretionary cash to spend on it, etc....) Last edited by AgentDave#2974 on Apr 30, 2012, 3:02:12 PM	Posted by AgentDave#2974 on Apr 30, 2012, 3:00:51 PM Quote this Post
bow down to the reign of money... if there is enough money to be made with a rmah (by taking like 20% of the amount transfered), it will be implemented asap.	Posted by Fenilita#2427 on Apr 30, 2012, 5:10:09 PM Quote this Post
...Still going, huh? Hm. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period.	Posted by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 30, 2012, 6:10:52 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" CharanJaydemyr wrote: ...Still going, huh? Hm. Jupp, looks like this is still going on. I guess non of the supporters did not read GGGs notis about "We do not support paying for power". Lost where no man has been lost before.	Posted by ZtriDer#7825 on Apr 30, 2012, 6:56:55 PM Quote this Post
" ZtriDer wrote: " CharanJaydemyr wrote: ...Still going, huh? Hm. Jupp, looks like this is still going on. I guess non of the supporters did not read GGGs notis about "We do not support paying for power". They'll do what they'll do, but that's a pretty vague statement, over which, in the short time I've been here, I've already seen numerous people referencing it to justify why GGG will never do quite a number of things - including things I don't see how you could possibly figure are "power".	Posted by AgentDave#2974 on Apr 30, 2012, 7:09:07 PM Quote this Post