The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

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Aanthalas wrote:

I do appreciate the effort that the OP has put in his post. However, this looks like a lot of conjecture and anecdotal evidence. Hard facts do not support the hypothesis that multiboxing does lead to inflation. Let me be specific:

If multiboxing (+ the chaos orb recipe) would cause significant inflation, then the exchange rate of chaos orbs to exalted orbs should change significantly over time. This is not the case. The exchange rate has remained stable at 15:1 since the start of OB.

Further, it is often claimed that true multiboxing (actually playing 6 toons at once) is responsible for the inflation of prices in general. This is not the case. Multiboxing does not alter the relation between currency and desirable items in any way. Multiboxing simply increases item quantity by 250%. Thus multiboxers will find items AND currency at a higher rate. This does not cause any more inflation than adding additional players to the game.

So then, why do we see inflation? The reason is that, as the general availability of currency increases, the prices for an high end item will approach the currency needed to craft it. This is to be expected.

Now what multiboxing does is allowing a single player to get an item quantity bonus. This may be considere extremely unfair in a competitive environment. But it does not increase the inflation rate. And that is easily fixed by adding /player 6 to the game.

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byubd wrote:

If what you're saying is true, and that a significant number of people are running low level characters repeatedly... (a laughable assumption)..


Then the problem would be the fact that orbs drop at low levels, rather than multi-boxing.

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ShadyC wrote:

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byubd wrote:

If what you're saying is true, and that a significant number of people are running low level characters repeatedly... (a laughable assumption)..


Then the problem would be the fact that orbs drop at low levels, rather than multi-boxing.

A laughable assumption?

Ok, so let's see... If YOU were a multi, what would you do?

Level up a bunch of characters (albeit at the same time, but regardless) to a high level to farm level 60+ areas? Most likely having to gear up all of said characters at least RELATIVELY well, so that they aren't obsolete? Farm zones that are at least dangerous enough to slow down your farm intake?

Or would you roll new characters, where your gear really means nothing at all, content is buttfuck easy to clear while naked, and you STILL have an equal chance at obtaining all of the orb intake as any high level guy out there?

Because I think we both know the correct answer, and then the answer that you wanna say so that it makes me look wrong.

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byubd wrote:

Well let's see. Given the new patch, in order to multi-box properly you'd either have to 1) kill a boss or 2) send several commands to have your alts follow your character around.

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b) Run a low level boss with a high level character, and get no currency drops, but good rares/uniques (not a bad idea, did this until the chaos recipe nerf, no longer feel like its worth it for just alts, alchs, and uniques)

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ShadyC wrote:

to at least give everyone the IIQ bonus potential by adding the "/player X" command, where you make the game think there's additional players in your party

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ShadyC wrote:

Then wipe all currency Orbs, so that the game can have a stable economy once again

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ShadyC wrote:

I like your argument, and I've seen it before. But let me present what I beleive to be a heavier-weighing counter-argument.


(This also relates to my above post.)


While RNG is inherently this game's biggest currency sink, the overflow of orbs that multi's own offsets that engine. Quick note that your example of 50 Chaos is actually off, and more realistically over 100 Chaos (even at 15 Chaos per Exalt and items going for a 10 Exalt average); but that only provides more strength to your point anyway. If an item costs 8-10 Exalts, which is an ungodly amount of Chaos... Yes, you could very well just have USED that amount of orbs crafting your own thing.

But speaking as a person who has many a time spent over 50 Fuses failing to get a 4Link on ilvl 70+ boots/gloves, and well over 100 Jeweller's on similar chests before ever getting anything higher than 3 sockets... I'm not about to go try my luck by rolling through hundreds of Chaos orbs.

Certainty will always outweigh chance. I'd even say well off to the point of infinity. People will always pay more than what they could consume in crafting the same thing, currently I'd say the amount is roughly at a 75% figure. This is to say, if we assume the buyer is assuming they would have the lower 50-80%% of the luck spectrum when crafting, they will pay upwards 75% more of what would be blown in crafting as a straight-up offer on a premade piece. And it is my belief that this figure will continue to grow, going well beyond 100% and most likely not stopping, as people grow to hate RNG more and more and more.



Let's say you have 1,000 Chaos. Would you rather spend 500 to get an item you need, or go through 300 in crafting, get nothing but crap, and be looking at the choice to either keep trying your luck all the way to the end, or give up now that you're 300 down?

NOBODY likes RNG, and the value of negating it is literally priceless - and as such, it will only continue to rise.

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Popis wrote:

I Run about 10h (400+IR 80+IQ)a day Vall/Marveil Normal and get ~~200 Chaos now whithout Chaos Recipe Solo Play. i get only 1 or 2 good uniques a day but they are worth that hard work.(~~10Uniques per day)

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Aanthalas wrote:

Why would multiboxers be stupid an miss out on 6 socket items, 5L and 6L items, high level uniques, etc. Most of the income when farming is from items and not from orbs. Multiboxers will farm whatever is the best farming spot. Most likely this will be docks at the highest difficulty setting or maps. Of course they will have to level and equip their team but due to synergies in group play they need much less gear than a solo player. It is simply a matter of return on investment.