I'm Tired of Content Being Cut From PoE, Taking a Break from PoE for 3.12 Heist League

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Xystre wrote:

Most of the people here shits on harvest because it was like synthesis you needed a fucking spreadsheet to get the best from the league.

False, everything was intuitive for the most part and most seeds you can even memorize what each does. Even if you didn't want to go that route you always had Discord to get you the crafts anyway, so none of this was an issue although people want to say it was just so they can have some excuse as to why they think the league was bad when it was actually a really good league.

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Xystre wrote:

No, I didn't play harvest.

Well there you go. "I didn't play Harvest" but then proceeds to give their expert opinion based on merit. You can't make this stuff up. Would be interesting to watch how you would be reacting if you actually liked some league and then had people like yourself go on all your threads and comments saying how it should be removed from the game because that's not selfish or ignorant whatsoever.

Doesn't matter much anyway because the devs end up making the final decision and if they ruin Harvest once it's "reintroduced" like they did with Synthesis, then there's not much of a reason to come back to the game anymore because Synthesis and Harvest were one of the few leagues to ever actually give me enjoyment, the rest were either subpar, repetitive or had nothing that innovative going on.

The game is fun and all, don't get me wrong, but it only takes one or two times of this happening to a person in leagues like Harvest or Synthesis, where you end up actually enjoying the league, only to have it taken away because of some "vocal majority", take it away then. Have fun without me I guess, I know I'm only one person and my friends don't plan on coming back either, but if this is what it takes then I guess I'll just stick with other games that don't do this.

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MLGonthorian wrote:

False, everything was intuitive for the most part and most seeds you can even memorize what each does. Even if you didn't want to go that route you always had Discord to get you the crafts anyway, so none of this was an issue although people want to say it was just so they can have some excuse as to why they think the league was bad when it was actually a really good league.

I disagree on this insofar as you needed a spreadsheet or two in order to figure out how to make the layout of your farm. The level of wiring you have to do in order to minmax it was astronomical, took me most of a day to get all of that sorted and working properly.

Now to be fair, if GGG kept Harvest as it is into the core game and thus we kept our farms, I'd expect the layout to not be reset so at best it'd be a one-time thing.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I disagree on this insofar as you needed a spreadsheet or two in order to figure out how to make the layout of your farm. The level of wiring you have to do in order to minmax it was astronomical, took me most of a day to get all of that sorted and working properly.

Not really, like I said before, the garden was literally so intuitive that if you actually took 2 seconds out of your day to read what each building item does or understand the layout, you didn't even need a guide to make a good layout either.

Also, even if you had to use a guide instead, there's nothing wrong with that either, so what, you have to use a guide once in a while for a one-time setup of a garden and this is too much for you? Talk about having little patience, when other things in the game require you to read spreadsheets or guides as well so this is different now all of a sudden?

They could have made it even more intuitive than this but at that point, it would just be a gimmick and even then people would find something to complain about because it's not something that they enjoy so instead of giving constructive criticism they just scream for something to be removed from the game, while selfishly not caring about others who did enjoy this content and want it to stay.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Now to be fair, if GGG kept Harvest as it is into the core game and thus we kept our farms, I'd expect the layout to not be reset so at best it'd be a one-time thing.

Sure, that I can agree on at least and I mention this in the post already. If people are so against making the garden themselves, the best approach to fixing this that tons of others have proposed is being able to copy/paste other people's layouts for the garden, so that once you have enough lifeforce, you can just export/import someone's garden layout as you are able to do with hideouts. That way the people who actually don't like the garden for some reason are pleased and the people who do like the garden can still build it however they want.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I disagree on this insofar as you needed a spreadsheet or two in order to figure out how to make the layout of your farm. The level of wiring you have to do in order to minmax it was astronomical, took me most of a day to get all of that sorted and working properly.

Now to be fair, if GGG kept Harvest as it is into the core game and thus we kept our farms, I'd expect the layout to not be reset so at best it'd be a one-time thing.

They may actually keep it in the game.
I remember that they wanted to remove old infrastructure from the game (which was super unusual thing to do as they don't usually remove items completely).



It is still there.

Edit: checked the flowers, those weren't removed either (it seems that I just forgot to put it in my stash and they were lost with garden, had to buy this one).

SAME, I QUIT BECAUSE THEY DECIDED NOT TO IMPLEMENT HARVEST INTO CORE MECHANIC OF THE GAME
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So i quit, i tried to start this league Heist but is just to bad.
Full time now on WOW, i doubt i will ever install poe again . Waiting for D4. U can keep your bots and elitists , GGG

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KopaKabana wrote:

SAME, I QUIT BECAUSE THEY DECIDED NOT TO IMPLEMENT HARVEST INTO CORE MECHANIC OF THE GAME

GGG will implement it in some way... changed. I just hope the changes won't be too harsh. I loved pretty much everything about harvest and miss it immensely.

Waiting a month longer of the reintroduction because of Cyberbugs 2077 is grinding my gear though. ;o)

And there were somewhere these beautiful graphics showing that harvest wasn't the most hated league. Should have downloaded these.

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_Daybit_ wrote:

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They really deleted the legacy items...
Can we at least get those flowers as MTX for hideout?

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_Daybit_ wrote:

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They really deleted the legacy items...
Can we at least get those flowers as MTX for hideout?

I just checked and they actually removed everything Harvest-related from the tabs... Did not announce it prior either (said at a later date but never announced any date). Had I known I would have linked some items in forums at least to have some memory of it. Complete disregard for people's time in acquiring the items in the league. Yet somehow it's justified because likely the items will be altered in the 3.13 Harvest, yet they couldn't allow us to keep the items as something we can't use but just be able to keep in the game as a souvenir or a memory. This is really cruel to do, I guess the devs don't see any value in player's time or investment into an item that they made for them but couldn't get right with the implementation so we have to bear the burden. Depressing.

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MLGonthorian wrote:

I just checked and they actually removed everything Harvest-related from the tabs... Did not announce it prior either (said at a later date but never announced any date). Had I known I would have linked some items in forums at least to have some memory of it. Complete disregard for people's time in acquiring the items in the league. Yet somehow it's justified because likely the items will be altered in the 3.13 Harvest, yet they couldn't allow us to keep the items as something we can't use but just be able to keep in the game as a souvenir or a memory. This is really cruel to do, I guess the devs don't see any value in player's time or investment into an item that they made for them but couldn't get right with the implementation so we have to bear the burden. Depressing.

Harvest ended on 14 September 2020, more than three months ago.

Before harvest ended, it was announced that all harvest items will be removed.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2934384

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Any progress from the 3.11 version of Harvest will definitely not be compatible with our future plans for the league. When the Harvest league ends next week, all Harvest data (groves, seeds, infrastructure, unused crafts, etc) will be removed. Consider using any saved up crafts beforehand!

I don't think that would be unfair to suggest that if linking these items on the forums was something that would have been meaningful or important to you, you might have done it at some point in the last 3 months. You don't need to be so dramatic in every post.

GGG
(1) Prior to launch, Chris states that Harvest is going to break the game

(2) During Harvest, GGG state that Harvest was an experimental league, and will not immediately become core gameplay. They also advise that if harvest were to become a core mechanic, a number of changes would be required as it does not translate as simply as other league mechanics and also cited non-trivial technical issues relating to the amount of data being stored.

(3) The aforementioned announcement clearly stating that harvest data will be removed.

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BrettLee wrote:

Before harvest ended, it was announced that all harvest items will be removed.

It's already obvious what you are stating, yet you conveniently left out the part where multiple people on both these forums and Reddit were against this being done in the first place as well as questioning why they would delete items that people acquired instead of just making them not usable anymore as they did with literally everything else in the past including league stones that someone else mentioned.

Yes it is disrespectful to people's time and acquisition of items and is the equivalent to Wizard of the Coast telling players with reserve list cards "sorry Timmy, we have a new vision of how we want the Black Lotus to function in our game, and since it's convenient for us, we won't bother to keep what you acquired and will just throw your Black Lotus in the paper shredder, sorry".

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BrettLee wrote:

I don't think that would be unfair to suggest that if linking these items on the forums was something that would have been meaningful or important to you, you might have done it at some point in the last 3 months. You don't need to be so dramatic in every post.

What kind of assumption is this? Yes, it is meaningful to me, hence why I wrote the response in the first place and I did mean to post the Harvest items I acquired on the forums at one point or another but I thought the devs would have had enough common sense to not delete the items completely from the stashes in the first place so I held off from doing it. I guess I should just blame myself for their implementation that they did not think through and for valuing an item that I acquired in the game that I liked. And I'm being dramatic while you were triggered enough to respond in the way that you did as soon as I spoke the truth about the situation. To YOU it's dramatic, to me it's reality, I guess that's where we see things differently.