GGG, Tencent, & The CCP Human Camps

Background Info: I lived in China for 7 years and married a mainland Chinese - been married for 11 years now.

The Communist Party is one of the most dangerous organizations in the world and should be opposed whenever possible.

My wife and all her friends say it's a fact that Tencent, Huawei or any other meaningful high-tech industry from China are also being used as a tool of the Communist Party. There is no doubt. From talks with many of my Chinese friends I hear the same.

But I don't wanna play the saint here and blame GGGT. I'd have sold my soul as well for that much money - nach mir die sintflut (after me the deluge).
“Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.”
― Christopher Hitchens
My QoL List: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3279646
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bwam wrote:
Did you know that the Christian Church is censored in China? In the buildings the Chinese government permits to stand in public, it is forbidden to preach about the resurrection of Christ.


To be fair though, the same thing happens to other religions there.
Quitting PoE is like quitting when you work at Home Depot (400k + employees). No one will care

Enjoy the game and time you have, it's gold don't waste it.
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It's good to see that people are waking up and seeing things for what they are or are becoming.
Tencent shares took a huge hit in the last two days - 66 billion dollars.
Don't worry guys. Now I'm here, Support will definitely do something about this problematic thread. :)

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raysuko wrote:
I love PoE, but this is beyond disgusting.

I'm pretty sure it's already well known by now, about the recent surfacing of the inhumane Camps in China and Tencent working directly with the CCP.

But now that Tencent and China is underfire, specially about the horrible Camps, I really need to ask:

GGG, will you leave Tencent?

You built PoE without them, and you never even needed them.

I was here before Tencent even was apart of your company, and I know for a fact that you didnt need them.

So with all the horrors now known to the world, from both Tencent and the CCP, why are you still with them? Did you honestly take so much of their gold, that you no longer can be independent?

I honestly feel like leaving.

As I do not want to be affiliated with a company that supports people and children being killed or forced into labor by the CCP.





Let's say you were a founding member of a gaming club. You supported it all you could. You wore its badges, its tshirts, because you were proud of what it stood for and what it was doing. And because your pride wasn't misplaced, it got big. Really big. Too big to remain a club; it became an international association. You still wore the badges because you were there from the start, give or take. But the growth wasn't easy or clean-cut, because growth never is. And then the association became too much for the founders to manage without having some sort of breakdown, so they cut a deal with a very rich but very accommodating organisation. The buyout is complete; there is no 'going back'. It's a decent deal: daily operations won't change; the gaming goes on. But the organisation that now owns the name and image of the gaming club has very questionable practices. It sources from companies known to use the modern equivalent of slave labour. It works directly with a totalitarian government. It has little to no respect for all the things that made you so proud to be a part of the club in the first place. It pushes its overpriced merch mercilessly. It's all about the money now. Worst of all, it's using the name of that gaming club you so loved and supported to do so.

Are you still proud to wear those badges and tshirts?


For those who don't like analogies


One thing we need to get straight: GGG cannot 'leave' Tencent. It's not some amicable, mutually-beneficial business relationship. They are owned by Tencent. And I'm willing to bet even if Chris were to quit and want to do something game-related with his tens of millions, there are likely reams of legal issues regarding non-compete clauses preventing precisely that. Tencent are a giant thug of a corporation and do not suffer rivals gladly, especially from within their own ranks.

GGG cannot leave Tencent. PoE is a Tencent product.

Your other suggestion though? You leaving GGG and PoE? That is far more doable. You technically don't even have to quit the game, since it's free, but let's not pretend that'd be even vaguely enjoyable.

But are you really willing to? Because while it's really easy to do, there's no taking it back. You will have to find other games, and like or not, no other ARPG right now comes close to PoE. It's had ten years to get this good, after all.

Still want to stand by your morals at this late, late hour? To give up what you love, what you've loved daily for years, because it's been undermined at some vague, macro level that doesn't even affect your experience of that game?

If so: contact Support and ask them to delete your account, along with every mtx you ever bought in support of what you thought was 'GGG'. They already have your money, and it's already gone, but at least you won't be 'using' what you purchased anymore. I mean, if your conscience is that plagued by this. I won't pretend that moral outrage was the totality of my reasoning for deleting my own mtxes, but I equally won't pretend that I didn't feel a whole lot better about myself the moment they were gone.

I knew the acquisition of GGG by Tencent was going to end my time with PoE; I just didn't know how or when it'd happen. I'm fairly ashamed that what triggered it was petty and pointless, but not a day goes by that I regret actually doing it. I miss what was, but it will never be again. It cannot be. The original owners of GGG took their payday, as was entirely their right, and sold out. They took you with them; you just didn't realise it. None of us really did, although I should have listened to my roiling guts the day it happened. Like everyone else, I wanted to believe nothing would change. There'd be a domestic PoE tailored for Tencent's customers in China, and ours, the international, would be business as usual. All that changed was that we had a new landlord, a new parent company.

But we knew even then that Tencent was shady as shit. Facial recognition technology and data-sharing. Social engineering via credit scores. Acquisitions of entire movie studios to ensure Western-made blockbusters could be China-friendly. A long history of ignoring IP law to create clones of popular products, and then after getting rich from doing that just buying IPs with the implicit threat that if you didn't sell to them, they'd just create a copy of your work and make a fortune off it in China anyway. Their relationship with pay-to-win isn't so much tentative as hearty and wholly embraced by a player base accustomed to the ancient concept of basic mercantile fluidity: money is power. This was all known the day GGG became a Tencent asset. All of it.

And that's ignoring the larger issues of Tencent being a functioning arm of the Chinese state -- a state that refuses to acknowledge Taiwan, doesn't even bother to hide its forced oppression and abuse of the Uighur people, has utterly trampled any sign of democratic defiance in Hong Kong, and gets mighty prickly when you compare its leader-for-life to a cartoon character.

So yeah, there's no going back into that cave now. I'm incredibly pleased to see it being laid bare here, but remain sceptical as ever regarding who here will take that next and final step to at least ease their own conscience a little. I just couldn't see those titles or all those mtxes the same way again, not after GGG became a Tencent company. Not knowing what I know, which is oddly pretty much what everyone else knows, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.

Our early and ongoing support served a function, an important one. Without it, there's every chance PoE wouldn't have gone very far. And we got years of entertainment out of that support. But that's all been hollowed out now, stripped of its value beyond that of a reminder that there is no PoE without GGG and there is no GGG without Tencent and there is no Tencent without the CCP.

And if you're cool with that, and can still play and enjoy the game, that's great for you. But if you're not, believe me, there's no better way of dealing with that unease than pruning the branch to save the tree.





If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.

I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period.
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thawn4444 wrote:
The irony of posting something like this from a electronic device that has its rare earth mineral components mined by child slaves in Africa. . .



elon musk did nothing wrong!
Let's be honest here.

If China didn't have their hands in Billions of dollars, no one would stand for this madness. (Which says alot about us in general)

I mean look at the NBA and all their social movements and causes, but holy shit they clam up quick if you ask them about China (due to their Billion dollar partnership)

Everyone has morals until money gets in the way.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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I guess the only place they enforce or read threads are the off-topics lol
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lolozori wrote:
I guess the only place they enforce or read threads are the off-topics lol


Clearly someone made the call to let Tencent threads go.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln

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