Name a ARPG better than PoE

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wullack wrote:
FIFA 2020


I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

Either way, FIFA needs to die!
Last edited by Exile009#1139 on Jul 18, 2020, 1:48:27 PM
since Harvest every ARPG is better...
Last epoch, all of the cool customization, real item progression, and none of the bloat. It also includes a good endgame system that isn't bleh maps.
I would say that getting the d3 core, while copying the skill tree from d2 could have been a better game than PoE lol.
You know it's a troll when the scrub OP never comes back.

GG troll walrus. Found a new game or did parents CC get maxed out ?
Last edited by superbomb1967#5561 on Jul 18, 2020, 7:51:43 PM
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Mortyx wrote:
I would say that getting the d3 core, while copying the skill tree from d2 could have been a better game than PoE lol.


What is actually good about Diablo2´s skilltree?

All skilltree´s amoung all game´s i have seen have simple and strict logic conflict´s.

The issue goe´s like this, if i use X i specc into X and don´t consider Y or Z.

Ironicly Diablo 3´s Perk system, is vastly supperior to diablo 2 skilltree and i dislike that diablo 4 will have a skilltree.

Diablo 3 only made the mistake of weak impact and the amount of perk´s was to low. Trust me, i would do magic to diablo 3 if i had the say.

I want Perk´s which drasticly impact my behaviour with this charakter.
All of XX% increased damage of X is only hair splitting.

I hope that path of exile 2 will ignore almost all of people´s opinnion´s about skilltree´s.
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j33bus wrote:
Last epoch, all of the cool customization, real item progression, and none of the bloat. It also includes a good endgame system that isn't bleh maps.


+1....waiting official release, that one will be great
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j33bus wrote:
Last epoch, all of the cool customization, real item progression, and none of the bloat. It also includes a good endgame system that isn't bleh maps.


TL;DR
Right now I feel about Last Epoch and EHG the way I felt about PoE and GGG in 2012 -- passionate devs, innovative approach, solid core gameplay, ambitious as hell systems. The lack of a rogue class has kept me at arm's length but for a few run-throughs, but the game so far has done everything right. I've even seen interviews with their CM (no stranger to these boards himself) talking about how the EHG devs can and will scrap a design idea or mechanic if it's clever or complex but not long-term appealing or player-friendly. I was like, damn. If that isn't a true Post-PoE ARPG design philosophy...

Unfortunately my 2020 budget doesn't currently have room to support LE beyond basic early access. Thankfully others have taken up the torch -- their 10k pack sold at least once, again to an Exile not unknown around these parts.

The fact that LE will be buy to play is significant too. The so-called 'non-p2w f2p' honeymoon ended years ago. You want to retain your game's integrity and ensure control over it, you don't make it f2p. It's as simple as that. You charge at the door. You keep the riff-raff out. You give the players a genuine feeling that they've paid for something worth paying for. And that they won't be somehow hoodwinked somewhere down the line by this 'essential' mtx or that.

I always said I played and supported PoE despite it being f2p, not because. PoE was always so much better than what its devs ended up using it for, and it's hard for me not to see early PoE as this smart, brilliant young woman GGG then pimped out for years and not even as a high-end escort girl but an open set of legs to all comers, regardless of what THEY brought to the exchange. And if people seemed like they were getting bored of her, GGG would just add more make-up, more costume jewellery, more wigs. Little wonder she's a hulking, turgid mess now, when you look at it that way.

I believe there's some worldline where Chris actually did make PoE buy to play (or keep it buy to play after the buy-to-try Closed Beta) and the resulting product was very different to what we see today -- in fact, in that worldline, he's just released the real PoE2. And it's amazing, as amazing as D2 was to D1, and sells millions of copies. I mean, Chris is nowhere near as rich in that worldline as he is in this one, for whatever that's worth. I read once the threshold for true happiness is somewhere around $100k USD a year -- any more than that and you've turned wealth into a burden rather than a resource to enhance one's quality of life. I do believe Chris and co could have achieved that much with a buy-to-play PoE...oh well, a man can but dream.


Last Epoch, very yes indeed.
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.

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j33bus wrote:
It also includes a good endgame system that isn't bleh maps.

What is the endgame you are talking about, if you don't mind me asking? I tried the demo 2 years ago and wasn't a big fan, so stopped following LE, but I assume a lot has changed since then.

(asking purely out of curiosity)
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Foreverhappychan wrote:
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j33bus wrote:
Last epoch, all of the cool customization, real item progression, and none of the bloat. It also includes a good endgame system that isn't bleh maps.


TL;DR
Right now I feel about Last Epoch and EHG the way I felt about PoE and GGG in 2012 -- passionate devs, innovative approach, solid core gameplay, ambitious as hell systems. The lack of a rogue class has kept me at arm's length but for a few run-throughs, but the game so far has done everything right. I've even seen interviews with their CM (no stranger to these boards himself) talking about how the EHG devs can and will scrap a design idea or mechanic if it's clever or complex but not long-term appealing or player-friendly. I was like, damn. If that isn't a true Post-PoE ARPG design philosophy...

Unfortunately my 2020 budget doesn't currently have room to support LE beyond basic early access. Thankfully others have taken up the torch -- their 10k pack sold at least once, again to an Exile not unknown around these parts.

The fact that LE will be buy to play is significant too. The so-called 'non-p2w f2p' honeymoon ended years ago. You want to retain your game's integrity and ensure control over it, you don't make it f2p. It's as simple as that. You charge at the door. You keep the riff-raff out. You give the players a genuine feeling that they've paid for something worth paying for. And that they won't be somehow hoodwinked somewhere down the line by this 'essential' mtx or that.

I always said I played and supported PoE despite it being f2p, not because. PoE was always so much better than what its devs ended up using it for, and it's hard for me not to see early PoE as this smart, brilliant young woman GGG then pimped out for years and not even as a high-end escort girl but an open set of legs to all comers, regardless of what THEY brought to the exchange. And if people seemed like they were getting bored of her, GGG would just add more make-up, more costume jewellery, more wigs. Little wonder she's a hulking, turgid mess now, when you look at it that way.

I believe there's some worldline where Chris actually did make PoE buy to play (or keep it buy to play after the buy-to-try Closed Beta) and the resulting product was very different to what we see today -- in fact, in that worldline, he's just released the real PoE2. And it's amazing, as amazing as D2 was to D1, and sells millions of copies. I mean, Chris is nowhere near as rich in that worldline as he is in this one, for whatever that's worth. I read once the threshold for true happiness is somewhere around $100k USD a year -- any more than that and you've turned wealth into a burden rather than a resource to enhance one's quality of life. I do believe Chris and co could have achieved that much with a buy-to-play PoE...oh well, a man can but dream.


Last Epoch, very yes indeed.


Err...aren't you the same person who not too long ago was hyping up and buying into Wolcen and its brand of koolaid? So now that that's crashed to sub-1k players, is this your next fix? It's like being misled by one cult and then soon after joining another one...

Oh, and Wolcen was buy2play too. That worked out beautifully. No one who bought that game was hoodwinked at all. No sirree...

Also thanks for classifying all the non-rich players here as "riff-raff" who took to a prostitute who was "an open set of legs to all comers".
Last edited by Exile009#1139 on Jul 18, 2020, 10:02:02 PM

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