Harvest could be worst league ever?

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

imo players should get most upgrades by picking up loot from slayed enemies
not by spamming "craft" button standing in the "garden" covered up by pylons, dispersers, collectors.

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cyberthopp wrote:

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

imo players should get most upgrades by picking up loot from slayed enemies
not by spamming "craft" button standing in the "garden" covered up by pylons, dispersers, collectors.

That has never been the case. With so much affixes available the chance of a really good item dropping is astronomically low, basically zero. Really good items have always been crafted and some of the previous league mechanics has already aimed to make crafting a little bit more deterministic: essences, beasts and fossils. The main difference is that the wrappings of the crafting part of those leagues were more interesting while dropping more regular loot as well.

The existence of such a wide variety of stuff that can alter the mods on an item should give you a hint that crafting is and has been a core element of the game whether you like it or not.

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

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cyberthopp wrote:

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

imo players should get most upgrades by picking up loot from slayed enemies
not by spamming "craft" button standing in the "garden" covered up by pylons, dispersers, collectors.

That has never been the case. With so much affixes available the chance of a really good item dropping is astronomically low, basically zero. Really good items have always been crafted and some of the previous league mechanics has already aimed to make crafting a little bit more deterministic: essences, beasts and fossils. The main difference is that the wrappings of the crafting part of those leagues were more interesting while dropping more regular loot as well.

The existence of such a wide variety of stuff that can alter the mods on an item should give you a hint that crafting is and has been a core element of the game whether you like it or not.

yes, this has never been the case, but it should.

crafting should be a supplement, not the main way to get top items like it is now. you've got a decent item from boss kill, but it lacks something a bit, you add something on it with crafting, gear piece is awsome, thats it. you shouldnt be able to create all t1 mod gear just standing in the fucking garden in one place.

meanwhile current bosses are almost completely useless in terms of an actual gear. shaper is useless. watcher's eyes, awakened gems are not enough. bosses need to be deadly and able to drop an actual mirror-tier gear, thats how it should be done from the start.

its an arpg game, so if you want the best gear, ACTION and COMBAT should be directly involved in getting that gear. fuck this crafting mini-games, seriously. devs took initially wrong concept and double downed on it in this league, of course some players who have low gameplay standards are cheering, but it doesnt make this league good.

this actually shows why this league is the worst we had in years in terms of player numbers, thats because that kind of gameplay is not what players expect from hacknslash game.

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

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cyberthopp wrote:

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

imo players should get most upgrades by picking up loot from slayed enemies
not by spamming "craft" button standing in the "garden" covered up by pylons, dispersers, collectors.

That has never been the case. With so much affixes available the chance of a really good item dropping is astronomically low, basically zero. Really good items have always been crafted and some of the previous league mechanics has already aimed to make crafting a little bit more deterministic: essences, beasts and fossils. The main difference is that the wrappings of the crafting part of those leagues were more interesting while dropping more regular loot as well.

The existence of such a wide variety of stuff that can alter the mods on an item should give you a hint that crafting is and has been a core element of the game whether you like it or not.

yes, this has never been the case, but it should.

crafting should be a supplement, not the main way to get top items like it is now. you've got a decent item from boss kill, but it lacks something a bit, you add something on it with crafting, gear piece is awsome, thats it. you shouldnt be able to create all t1 mod gear just standing in the fucking garden in one place.

meanwhile current bosses are almost completely useless in terms of an actual gear. shaper is useless. watcher's eyes, awakened gems are not enough. bosses need to be deadly and able to drop an actual mirror-tier gear, thats how it should be done from the start.

its an arpg game, so if you want the best gear, ACTION and COMBAT should be directly involved in getting that gear. fuck this crafting mini-games, seriously. devs took initially wrong concept and double downed on it in this league, of course some players who have low gameplay standards are cheering, but it doesnt make this league good.

this actually shows why this league is the worst we had in years in terms of player numbers, thats because that kind of gameplay is not what players expect from hacknslash game.

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Walltrigger wrote:

Play d3 then. There is zero feel of reward from dropped items. Crafting gives you a sense of progression and the feel that you improved your character. Its not fun playing the slot machine a million times just to get a 5% upgrade. You cant tell me endgame grind for loot is fun.

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Walltrigger wrote:

Harvest wasnt liked because of the garden and basically no added loot and monsters in maps, not because of the crafting.

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kekoyaso wrote:

nowadays new era players WANT END GAME GEARS without effort nearly without play
as all we old school arpg players want HUNT to LOOT not craft to play ARPG means u have to hunt hack n slash loot to gear but this crafting mechanincs slowly killing poe

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

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Walltrigger wrote:

Play d3 then. There is zero feel of reward from dropped items. Crafting gives you a sense of progression and the feel that you improved your character. Its not fun playing the slot machine a million times just to get a 5% upgrade. You cant tell me endgame grind for loot is fun.

im seeing you like crafting and you like to tell other people what they should play, i can recommend you to go play Path of Crafting mobile app, i play it sometimes sitting on the toilet bowl, this is the game for you.

d3 has extremely limited amount of mods and general variety, it also has augments and paragon, paragon is the main source of power in the endgame, etc. its no point to talk about d3, its a different story.

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Walltrigger wrote:

Harvest wasnt liked because of the garden and basically no added loot and monsters in maps, not because of the crafting.

not going to argue, those reasons you've highlighted are real, and i've talked about them even in this topic, few dozens pages ago.

i am talking now about more core problems that this league hasnt solved, but actually amplified. my opinion is that additional deterministic crafting options are good for the game, but you shouldnt be able to create best gear from the scratch. crafting should be limited in power, while a combat should reward players with high/top tier mods.

i get it that some players are pricing steady flow of their gear progression, question is: should they progress by crafting OR by killing mobs and picking up loot in ACTION role-playing game?

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kekoyaso wrote:

nowadays new era players WANT END GAME GEARS without effort nearly without play
as all we old school arpg players want HUNT to LOOT not craft to play ARPG means u have to hunt hack n slash loot to gear but this crafting mechanincs slowly killing poe

i agree to some extend. this league is a huge mistake, it gave an ability to create extremely good gear to the BAD PLAYERS, just by following primitive steps from internet guides, just by planting and collecting seeds. undermining mapping, undermining endgame. you can farm seeds for a few days in t11 maps and you're good to go. what a [censored] disgrace. this league is a disaster almost in every way possible.

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Tainted_Fate wrote:

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Walltrigger wrote:

Play d3 then. There is zero feel of reward from dropped items. Crafting gives you a sense of progression and the feel that you improved your character. Its not fun playing the slot machine a million times just to get a 5% upgrade. You cant tell me endgame grind for loot is fun.

im seeing you like crafting and you like to tell other people what they should play, i can recommend you to go play Path of Crafting mobile app, i play it sometimes sitting on the toilet bowl, this is the game for you.

d3 has extremely limited amount of mods and general variety, it also has augments and paragon, paragon is the main source of power in the endgame, etc. its no point to talk about d3, its a different story.

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Walltrigger wrote:

Harvest wasnt liked because of the garden and basically no added loot and monsters in maps, not because of the crafting.

not going to argue, those reasons you've highlighted are real, and i've talked about them even in this topic, few dozens pages ago.

i am talking now about more core problems that this league hasnt solved, but actually amplified. my opinion is that additional deterministic crafting options are good for the game, but you shouldnt be able to create best gear from the scratch. crafting should be limited in power, while a combat should reward players with high/top tier mods.

i get it that some players are pricing steady flow of their gear progression, question is: should they progress by crafting OR by killing mobs and picking up loot in ACTION role-playing game?

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kekoyaso wrote:

nowadays new era players WANT END GAME GEARS without effort nearly without play
as all we old school arpg players want HUNT to LOOT not craft to play ARPG means u have to hunt hack n slash loot to gear but this crafting mechanincs slowly killing poe

i agree to some extend. this league is a huge mistake, it gave an ability to create extremely good gear to the BAD PLAYERS, just by following primitive steps from internet guides, just by planting and collecting seeds. undermining mapping, undermining endgame. you can farm seeds for a few days in t11 maps and you're good to go. what a [censored] disgrace. this league is a disaster almost in every way possible.

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Walltrigger wrote:

The thing with PoE though is that you can completely ignore league mechanics that you dont like. If you hate Harvest, then dont interact with it instead of saying it kills the game and should be removed or gimped to uselessness. You still progress.

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Walltrigger wrote:

We get xp, gem upgrades/awakened gems, currency and influenced bases from killing stuff already. Crafting gear is just one area of character improvement.

Grinding hundreds of maps just to get enough currency and buy items isnt what I consider fun part of the game. This is what every previous league has been, unless youre playing ssf. Learning mechanics and creating my own builds is the fun part, for me atleast.

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Walltrigger wrote:

Mindless delve and "alch and go" are still very much part of the game and isnt lessened by crafting in any way.

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Walltrigger wrote:

Also powerful uniques should drop from the strongest bosses. Mirror tier rares shouldnt.