Perhaps stop saying PoE is not pay to win game?
I'll suggest pay2whatever_you_choose_to_justify_your_transaction_to_others. That seems wholesome. That's still P2W in short, so everyone's happy.
Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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" That is not what they did. They introduced 13 new leagues, since the day I started playing this game, 3 years ago. The amount of space you have, remains the same. This game was always pay to win. Now it is pay to play. I was recommending this game to every one I know... This league I will pass. |
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" But they have a lot of ladder and pvp who push you into competition. That doesn't exist in POE. Buy the stash tab once and then ? buy more to "win" more ? nope |
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" Like I said, you still can get over 30 hours just playing a few builds through the story. That's more free game time than most AAA games these days. Think of the main game as free and mapping as the additional DLC where you need to buy stash tabs for convenience. |
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" This is a very elegant description of poe's p2w (pay to be advantaged) style. There was a time when i was very happy with ggg's business model. Im guessing after the 10 cent acquisition the clutter has just grown and grown. Why did delirium need 20 new orbs (thats close to as many types of currency existed when i started playing in 1.1) Elder and shaper items werent enough so now we have those plus another 4 types of conqueror influences, the list goes on and on. That is not to say i dont consider POE good value for approx $100 nzd you get pretty much what you need to play comfortably and a game as a live service. |
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" So it's pay-to-avoid-massive-intentional-inconvenience? I'm sorry, but that's just splitting hair in order to avoid giving GGG the "Pay-to-win" label. If you gain a massive amount of time buying the proper stash space, then it's not just inconvenience. There's nothing wrong with the game having a little bit of pay-to-win (typically, I am perfectly fine with GGG selling their Currency and other special tabs, even though the difference in inventory management speed is very important), and everyone would be OK with their marketing the game as not pay-to-win if the game wasn't intentionally made that inconvenient to make sure to sell stuff. The premium stash tab is clearly pay-to-win, and the difference with or without the proper tabs for inventory management can quickly become so noticeably inconvenient that only the most avid supporters will say there is no pay-to-win element within it. " 1) Some Pay-to-win games do have ladders and/or PvP to push you into competition, some don't. That's entirely independent with the game being Pay-to-win. 2) Would you like to try getting on PoE's ladder next league if you aren't already on it? Do you want help to complete a few extra challenges to get a nice looking 40 next to your name? How about trying Sarn arena one of those days? Or maybe you'd like to train to get very short labyrinth times to get the special unique jewels? |
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Man, I wonder if Sid ever gets tired of being right XD
Fazzo and Sayan, you're essentially saying that POE doesn't count as Pay to Win because of how much free content you get. This is a completely irrelevant point, the actual crux of the argument since page one of the thread that nobody has even attempted to debate yet: A new player with a premium stash tab has a gameplay advantage over a new player with only standard tabs. And no, this is not subjective, it is a fact that can be quantified: just compare any SSF ladder to the parent league ladder. If trading items wasn't an advantage, there would be no difference between how quickly players can finish their builds. The speed and efficiency with which you can trade items to other players MATTERS in Path of Exile, because it's the best way to get currency to improve your build. That is why, even though I love Path of Exile, I cannot in honesty call it a non-pay-to-win game. All of these arguments - that you don't pay very much for what you get, that it's not a progressive pay-to-win system whereby you win more by paying more, etc - are irrelevant nonsense. They don't matter. To use Scrotie's metaphor, you're saying that wine isn't alcoholic because it's more diluted than vodka. |
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"This post is so fantastic that I don't feel like I have anything more to say. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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more currency types just forces you to play more clever and ignore more shard types as you play along.
of course you can collect all shards that drop but why? why spend hours to collect horizon shards if you got no gilded fossils to exploit the game in the first place? offline Last edited by cronus#1461 on Jun 13, 2020, 3:24:45 PM
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This type of thread keeps poppin up
Its easy to settle it like this... Yes POE does have p2w in the form of stashes No POE doesnt have p2w in the form of better drops, better gear, etc No you DONT have to keep spending money to enjoy this game Yes POE is free to try before you decide if you wanna spend money or not Yes POE does have frequent stash tabs sales which brings the cost down POE is a 60$ game With 60$ of MTX you can buy ur essential stashes and be set - Currency Tab - 6$ on sale - Map Tab - 12$ on sale - Premium Stash Bundle for Trading - 16.5$ on sale - Div Stash - 4$ on sale - Fragment Tab - 5.5$ on sale - Delve Tab - 3$ on sale - Essence Tab - 3$ on sale Total Cost For All Special Stashes + Premium Stash Bundle = 50$ Leaving you with 10$ to upgrade ur regular tabs into Premium tabs - 1$ each ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beyond that you dont NEED to buy anything to enjoy POE to its fullest New players probably dont even need all of those tabs tbh... Either way so at most POE is a 60$ game If you cant afford 60$, then you probably need a reality check You need to get your priorities straight So the word P2W is pointless when you're talking about a set price Its important when you're letting a BRAND NEW player for information on how much the game costs if you plan on "maining" it You can accrue stash tabs slowly over a long period of time, you dont need ALL of them upfront. Most of the time when people are talking about P2W its games like BDO Where people spend a few hundred dollars on pets to loot for them, a few hundred dollars on special items and b.s. convenience that gives a massive advantage Its so pointless to argue about POE being F2P or P2P when in reality the cost of POE is equivalent to that of a regular game And POE has much much much more content than every other regular game i've ever seen Most 60$ games dont even compare to the longevity of POE I've spent alot of money myself but mostly on MTX, and because I love the game On stashes I have under 100$ spent and i've been playing since 2014 I make a few hundred exalts every league Stashes are not convenience Stashes are mandatory If anyone tells you otherwise, they are delusional |
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