Please limit Voices and Split Personality to 1

Yeah, intelligence Split Personality doesn't work like that, and is shit. A regular jewel with two intelligence and a damage roll is massively better.

Maximum flat Int form a rare jewel is 26.

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a_z0_9 wrote:

Maximum flat Int form a rare jewel is 26.

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To do that with them you'd have to path around so wonkily that the character would probably be useless though. I think it's perfectly fair that a character could be unkillable if it's gonna take them hours to kill Sirus if they do that.

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To do that with them you'd have to path around so wonkily

It's a good thing you only need stats from tree, right?
You'll get about 250% damage from Transfiguration of Souls and shaper's amulet and something like 400% from WI, pretty obvious stuff.

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a_z0_9 wrote:

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To do that with them you'd have to path around so wonkily

It's a good thing you only need stats from tree, right?
You'll get about 250% damage from Transfiguration of Souls and shaper's amulet and something like 400% from WI, pretty obvious stuff.

Yeah, I thought of Whispering Ice right after I posted that. That's pretty busted.

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Deathfairy wrote:

This gear is no where remotely 100c, perfect rolls on hp and dex on every piece. And then on top of that you somehow need to fit in 160 resistances (assuming perfectly balanced, in reality more like another 200 res). You just posted a nearly perfect hollow palm gear and called it 100c lol.

Your large cluster jewel is 3ex just by itself.

But even in perfect hp gear level 100 to boot and you still only have 6.5k hp. Reality is that there is a whooping ONE person on poe.ninja with over 6.5k hp and one with with nothing. In reality you hp is going to be a whole lot closer to 5k if that at lvl 90, as well as no where near max block.

That said at a 100 with 6.5k hp and max block and 6 mil dps that is a good build. Nothing earth shattering i might add, but solid, similar to pretty much any other impale cyclone at lvl 100 and ok gear. Sound perfectly fine to me.

There is a reason highest level with hollow palm in HC is 97. Your gear is absolutely unrealistic and has perfect life rolls (outside rings but then you have to fit in even MORE resistance somehow)

Compare hollow palm builds to lacerate max block.
lacerate builds have more HP and and armor and better clear.
Hollow palm has better single target dps (not by huge margin because bleed has much better uptime then cyclone does.)

So these 2 builds are VERY comparable. and yet one is broken and other one is perfectly fine lawl?

Getting t1 life on every piece of gear is so easy to find and I put 50 dex on every regular rare piece... that is a t3 mod. None of this includes any ultra rare unique, no crazy watchers eyes, no influenced mods whatsoever other than the coh ring, I'm pretty sure I didn't even add quality to all of the jewelry, and you call that near perfect hollow palm gear?

I looked up every piece of gear needed to buy for this build and literally the most expensive thing is to get a 6L, the coh ring, and the hollow palm jewel itself. Everything else can be pawned off people for chump change. You don't even need to use that exact jewel just literally chaos spam until you have 3 notables and 2 jewel sockets it's not that big of a deal. Please.. this gear combined is literally worth 1 of your herald jewels.

The fact that people choose to play glass cannon has nothing to do with any of this, that is their choice. Hollow palm can very easily outperform heralders on a ghetto man's budget.

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yamface wrote:

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Deathfairy wrote:

This gear is no where remotely 100c, perfect rolls on hp and dex on every piece. And then on top of that you somehow need to fit in 160 resistances (assuming perfectly balanced, in reality more like another 200 res). You just posted a nearly perfect hollow palm gear and called it 100c lol.

Your large cluster jewel is 3ex just by itself.

But even in perfect hp gear level 100 to boot and you still only have 6.5k hp. Reality is that there is a whooping ONE person on poe.ninja with over 6.5k hp and one with with nothing. In reality you hp is going to be a whole lot closer to 5k if that at lvl 90, as well as no where near max block.

That said at a 100 with 6.5k hp and max block and 6 mil dps that is a good build. Nothing earth shattering i might add, but solid, similar to pretty much any other impale cyclone at lvl 100 and ok gear. Sound perfectly fine to me.

There is a reason highest level with hollow palm in HC is 97. Your gear is absolutely unrealistic and has perfect life rolls (outside rings but then you have to fit in even MORE resistance somehow)

Compare hollow palm builds to lacerate max block.
lacerate builds have more HP and and armor and better clear.
Hollow palm has better single target dps (not by huge margin because bleed has much better uptime then cyclone does.)

So these 2 builds are VERY comparable. and yet one is broken and other one is perfectly fine lawl?

Getting t1 life on every piece of gear is so easy to find and I put 50 dex on every regular rare piece... that is a t3 mod. None of this includes any ultra rare unique, no crazy watchers eyes, no influenced mods whatsoever other than the coh ring, I'm pretty sure I didn't even add quality to all of the jewelry, and you call that near perfect hollow palm gear?

I looked up every piece of gear needed to buy for this build and literally the most expensive thing is to get a 6L, the coh ring, and the hollow palm jewel itself. Everything else can be pawned off people for chump change. You don't even need to use that exact jewel just literally chaos spam until you have 3 notables and 2 jewel sockets it's not that big of a deal. Please.. this gear combined is literally worth 1 of your herald jewels.

The fact that people choose to play glass cannon has nothing to do with any of this, that is their choice. Hollow palm can very easily outperform heralders on a ghetto man's budget.

Watchers eye, infulence mods do not add to defences. you looked up gear lacks resistances, the ring you listed does not even exist, closest i found was 16 ex and it had less hp. T1 dex batelly adds your defences. You only have 5 pieces of gear to get your resistance cap on top of t1 hp rolls. Maxing resistances is in of the thing you need to solve with build. You are extremely wrong on this gear.


If you dont need to use 3ex jewel then dont, but you did didnt you.

Put on actually realistic gear take a realistic level of 93 and see results and it is no where near 6.5 k hp. Yet again some how your 100c gear has more hp then every single person on poe ninja except one wonder why...

It's 2020 and I'm in an argument against someone who is complaining that t1 life + dex gear is too good for this game.

https://pastebin.com/fcFV8dfx

You happy? I removed the curse completely and removed the dex mod completely off the boots and the chest which are going to be the 2 hardest places to find such a combination. I dropped the level to whatever random threshold you just told me and I traded the block chance on the chest for more life since I was overcapped on block. And guess what? It still does over double your heralder's damage. It still has 6.5k hp.

How much more are we going to downgrade this build until you're happy with it? The cost for this shit was less than 1 exalt to begin with but apparently that's too much for you, so I am now apparently working to try to downgrade this into a 50c build meanwhile you have no qualms about this 20 ex 0 voices herald build you've been completely silent over.

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yamface wrote:

It's 2020 and I'm in an argument against someone who is complaining that t1 life + dex gear is too good for this game.

https://pastebin.com/fcFV8dfx

You happy? I removed the curse completely and removed the dex mod completely off the boots and the chest which are going to be the 2 hardest places to find such a combination. I dropped the level to whatever random threshold you just told me and I traded the block chance on the chest for more life since I was overcapped on block. And guess what? It still does over double your heralder's damage. It still has 6.5k hp.

How much more are we going to downgrade this build until you're happy with it? The cost for this shit was less than 1 exalt to begin with but apparently that's too much for you, so I am now apparently working to try to downgrade this into a 50c build meanwhile you have no qualms about this 20 ex 0 voices herald build you've been completely silent over.

The cost of this build is 1ex, too bad you forgot 200 res(and lets not forget that -60 chaos res is a thing of the past) somewhere did you? There is a reason everyone except ONE guys has less then 6.5k hp EVEN IN hardcore. This combination of starts on top of 200 res is no where near 50c, your starting to sound desperate buddy. And even when you do reach that 6.5k with 14k armor and max block that is quite mediocre for a melee build.

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build meanwhile you have no qualms about this 20 ex 0 voices herald build you've been completely silent over.

huh??? you must be confused somewhere because this does not make any sense in the context of everything that has been said in this thread and by me. Either you confused or you think what you wrote means something different from what it does.

No one has ever in this thread said the build has no damage, it does. It also severely limits your defensive options due to lack of 2 gear pieces, which makes it quite squishy. I have seen multiple streamers trying to make it work and sacrifices you have to make it make it hardly game breaking. It is quite in line with other cyclone impale builds, Even if it is the best option (which i am not saying it is) for the cyclone it is still not outrageous compared to others.

Herald build on the other hand facerolls t16 at lvl 90 in hardcore with my pathetic skill level. Drastically more tanky and has drastically better clear.

This is not even a competition. Reality is that if your 50c build somehow has more defenses then every build with this jewel on hardcore you are very wrong on the price tag.

P.S. In your profile you have managed to get 1 character to 100 in HC SSF, and guess what it is oh right it is heralds. I have a feeling you have no clue what is it you even trying to prove to me here.

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Deathfairy wrote:

The cost of this build is 1ex, too bad you forgot 200 res somewhere did you?

You need to learn how to price check items. Rare items with t1 life and resists costs next to nothing. Most players doing endgame content filter this garbage out because it sells for so little.

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Deathfairy wrote:

There is a reason everyone except ONE guys has less then 6.5k hp EVEN IN hardcore. This combination of starts on top of 200 res is no where near 50c, your starting to sound desperate buddy. And even when you do reach that 6.5k with 14k armor and max block that is quite mediocre for a melee build.

And what reason is that? I'm pretty sure you were just given some of the most budget versions of this build that is still well balanced yet you're still whining about poe ninja numbers. Tell me. Why is it that no one on poe ninja has the kind of defenses that I theorycrafted? Is it because finding high life rolls on rares with resists is too hard? Are 1-5c items too much for them?

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Deathfairy wrote:

P.S. In your profile you have managed to get 1 character to 100 in HC SSF, and guess what it is oh right it is heralds. I have a feeling you have no clue what is it you even trying to prove to me here.

Oh I see. So I spent 99.5 levels on that templar as a stormbrand heiro but now that I swapped over to a heralder for the last .5 levels I'm now a herald abuser.