Why is Global Chat so toxic? Psychology question.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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Look up "jerome adams" and see your ideology in action.

You can be sure nobody else is going to attempt what he did in the near future which is likely to result in more minority deaths.
Thank god for that helpfull "racism in everything" mindset.

Actions have consequences indeed and so do poor ideology's.

Peace,

-Boem-

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grepman wrote:

the idea that all of those trolls actually believe what they write to incite angry responses, is rather unsound.

I guess it's a good thing I didn't say that then.

The point is that you don't have to believe every racist thing you write in order to be exhibiting racism. You just have to be comfortable saying it (in an environment where you can't be certain how it will be taken).

We are defined by the things we choose to do, not just the things we tell ourselves we believe. Racism is not just abstract thought, it's action. Someone content to engage in racist actions - someone exhibiting disregard for the way racist actions may hurt other people - is showing racism. The fact that they may be doing that as part of being an arsehole in general to all sorts of different kinds of people doesn't change that; it's not like we're only allowed to use a maximum of one word to describe people's behaviour.

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Boem wrote:

Look up "jerome adams" and see your ideology in action.

You can be sure nobody else is going to attempt what he did in the near future which is likely to result in more minority deaths.
Thank god for that helpfull "racism in everything" mindset.

Actions have consequences indeed and so do poor ideology's.

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SkyTomCar wrote:

OP your only tapping the surface of the iceberg that is mental illness. Many disorders include anti social behavior which makes being a functional civil human being a near impossibility. Once upon a time we stuck such in asylums because of the threat we knew they represented to civilization and society as a whole.

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They...err, also stuck a lot of other people in asylums, you know. Like gays, for instance. While plenty of people were rewarded by society for behavior many would consider terrible today. I don't think trying to draw up the past as some sort of model is a good tactic for your argument. Those old asylums are widely regarded to have been a terrible idea by modern psychology.

As for suggestion, classic case of the cure being much, much worse than the disease. You just suggested lobotomizing people for possibly off-color remarks on an online chat forum. I'm not sure if it's the people from global who really need to be locked up here...

While not exactly a PC thing to say, the fact is since decoding the human genome we have started to zero in on specific sequences that would qualify as mutations in the same way we would define say for example being an albino, connected with homosexuality. And that these sequences seem to go hand in glove with very large family groups suggesting it is a trait that rises up to help limit the risk of inbreeding by reducing the drive to procreate with the opposite gender.

And amoral behavior isnt always the same as anti social and uncivil behavior. A sociopath that joins the military as an outlet to do harm to other humans is a useful part of society compared to one that becomes a predator of society in general.

And no where did I suggest lobotomies for off color remarks, but yes for those who embrace their anti social nature like some kind of superior trait are very much a threat to all of society.

Let me use an example Ive seen so called shit stirring types try to use as a defense. Ive actually met no few who say "What am I doing wrong Im just the same kind of off color humor as seen in Deadpool?" Which falls apart as soon as I point out that Wade Wilson/Deadpool is very much written as a sociopath/psychopath with psychotic issues and who actively engaged in intercourse with at least 1 tween in the comics( the character of vannessa in the comics and Wade first began their relationship when she was a 12 year old street hooker)which tends to shut up most who try to use that popular film and its approach to humor as some kind of defense. It never dawned on them they were identifying with a character that is built around serious mental illness. And thats not even getting into how he treats blind Al in the comics.

People who go around trying to stir the pot as its called, are very much displaying the kind of behavior that puts them at odds with society at large. No different then Cho Moes, serial predators, and the rest of those that really dont want to get along with others and in fact hate seeing people get along in general.

There is a difference between testing and pushing at social limits when young, and one that continues to do that well after reaching adulthood. One is growing and learning, the other has identified themselves as a rebel to society and actively embraces a false construct in which they are the strong and independent army of one against a world gone wrong.

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SkyTomCar wrote:

There is a difference between testing and pushing at social limits when young, and one that continues to do that well after reaching adulthood.

Yep. Even as a kid, the point of testing boundaries then is to find out where the boundaries are. The idea that "they're just testing boundaries therefore their behaviour should be allowed" is a contradiction, because if you're allowing the behaviour, you aren't illustrating where the boundaries are, so there's no testing going on, just people being awful for fun.

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SkyTomCar wrote:

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Exile009 wrote:

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SkyTomCar wrote:

OP your only tapping the surface of the iceberg that is mental illness. Many disorders include anti social behavior which makes being a functional civil human being a near impossibility. Once upon a time we stuck such in asylums because of the threat we knew they represented to civilization and society as a whole.

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They...err, also stuck a lot of other people in asylums, you know. Like gays, for instance. While plenty of people were rewarded by society for behavior many would consider terrible today. I don't think trying to draw up the past as some sort of model is a good tactic for your argument. Those old asylums are widely regarded to have been a terrible idea by modern psychology.

As for suggestion, classic case of the cure being much, much worse than the disease. You just suggested lobotomizing people for possibly off-color remarks on an online chat forum. I'm not sure if it's the people from global who really need to be locked up here...

While not exactly a PC thing to say, the fact is since decoding the human genome we have started to zero in on specific sequences that would qualify as mutations in the same way we would define say for example being an albino, connected with homosexuality. And that these sequences seem to go hand in glove with very large family groups suggesting it is a trait that rises up to help limit the risk of inbreeding by reducing the drive to procreate with the opposite gender.

And amoral behavior isnt always the same as anti social and uncivil behavior. A sociopath that joins the military as an outlet to do harm to other humans is a useful part of society compared to one that becomes a predator of society in general.

And no where did I suggest lobotomies for off color remarks, but yes for those who embrace their anti social nature like some kind of superior trait are very much a threat to all of society.

Let me use an example Ive seen so called shit stirring types try to use as a defense. Ive actually met no few who say "What am I doing wrong Im just the same kind of off color humor as seen in Deadpool?" Which falls apart as soon as I point out that Wade Wilson/Deadpool is very much written as a sociopath/psychopath with psychotic issues and who actively engaged in intercourse with at least 1 tween in the comics( the character of vannessa in the comics and Wade first began their relationship when she was a 12 year old street hooker)which tends to shut up most who try to use that popular film and its approach to humor as some kind of defense. It never dawned on them they were identifying with a character that is built around serious mental illness. And thats not even getting into how he treats blind Al in the comics.

People who go around trying to stir the pot as its called, are very much displaying the kind of behavior that puts them at odds with society at large. No different then Cho Moes, serial predators, and the rest of those that really dont want to get along with others and in fact hate seeing people get along in general.

There is a difference between testing and pushing at social limits when young, and one that continues to do that well after reaching adulthood. One is growing and learning, the other has identified themselves as a rebel to society and actively embraces a false construct in which they are the strong and independent army of one against a world gone wrong.

That's a lot of words, but you still haven't justified your suggestion, nor backtracked on it, simply skipped over it with even more expounding of your views. "no where did I suggest lobotomies for off color remarks, but yes for those who embrace their anti social nature" - by doing what? What exactly qualifies one for such treatment, and how have the kinds of people in global chat or other online chat forums come even close to that level of egregiousness? Let's say committing a murder is the bar, are you then seriously equating anything in global with actual murderers? Or is your actual bar so low that yes, "I'm not sure if it's the people from global who really need to be locked up here". I'm not interesting in arguing in whether their motives are sympathetic or not ala "difference between testing and pushing at social limits when young" - I'm more concerned about the guy who would lobotomize people for being un-PC in online chat, regardless of which of those motivations happens to be behind their words. Even your chosen example is ridiculous - you just equated people typing off-color words in an online chat space with people who engage in statutory rape. Stop trying to make your point seem more defensible by bringing up worse crimes - the 'crime' under discussion is making off-color remarks in an online chat forum, now try justifying lobotomies for that.

Also, kindly stop pathologizing people you don't like. You haven't diagnosed them. Stop trying to pretend they have a mental illness without even having met them. Medical diagnoses are serious things, that require rigorous testing to be shown, not idle labels to be tossed around to mark oneself as the sane one. Hell, that's another thing you have in common with those who reject gays (and much else besides) - trying to paint the community you don't like as mentally disturbed, proper process be damned. You likely aren't a credentialed psychiatrist, and even if you are, you haven't met and conducted a proper diagnostic session on any of them. They're all individual people, stop trying to ignore that. They're not mentally disturbed just cos you say so. You don't like them, but that says nothing about their mental state. Indeed, the punishments you've mentioned, as well as this quick demonization, if anything say more about your own. Medicine, like justice, is serious business - stop trivializing it for the sake of your own agenda.

Lastly, stop putting yourself on a pedestal. You aren't "society-at-large", nor its arbiter. You don't get to unilaterally decide what puts anyone at odds with society-at-large, the actual collective society-at-large does. And currently it doesn't agree with you, as they're mostly not lobotomized or even imprisoned, so who's the real rebel-cum-outcast here? Your views are not in line with society-at-large, they're presumably campaigning to change it. Which means you're the actual "independent army of one against a world gone wrong", the real disruptor. And you don't see me recommending lobotomies for you, do you? Cos the person defending global is actually the less bloodthirsty, imagine that.