Why is Global Chat so toxic? Psychology question.

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AK_Killstrike wrote:

... something that was lost to the collective human race some 20 odd years ago.

Let me guess you don't have a history degree , not even a minor and you are still young. You did not even read any actual history books that talked about culture , class, and crime.


Some societies were well-mannered , none have actually been nice or decent.
That is the secret of Human Civ

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AK_Killstrike wrote:

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Boem wrote:

If they offended you, they win.

The only reason this stuff persists is because people have low context sensibility's.

Anybody with half a brain knows that a racist in global chat is in fact not racist but playing a meta game to see when people respond offended to get their dopamine rush.

As far as your "psychology" angle goes, its bunk.

Role-playing as a racist is exactly what somebody does who doesn't want to end up a racist, he's mastering the character-type so he can switch to it and away from it when desired.
It's called being a developed human being, just think of all the jank and stupid role-play you did when you were young.

There is the calm you, the focused you, the stressed you, the racist you, the passionate you etc etc.

The only people who lack compasion or empathy are the people who don't comprehend whats actually going on and want to stiffle the role-playing in a gaming context because they are oblivious to how they attained their own development.

People who take games and chats inside of them seriously beyond entertainment are the problem, not the edge lords and angsty teens, they are behaving perfectly normal in line with their age and development.

tl;dr they are being perfectly normal children pushing boundary's and making stupid mistakes like they should.

Peace,

-Boem-

eh...a undeveloped human being more like. because psychologically speaking if you are developed you don't do stuff that makes others upset, it's not about having thicker skin, rather it's about being a decent person. something that was lost to the collective human race some 20 odd years ago.

You know jokes can upset people right?

There is no valid way to behave that will not upset other people, other then being a mind numbing borring drone which easily fixes the problem two-fold, one by not upsetting people and two by not having interesting people wanna spend time with you.

Peace,

-Boem-

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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trixxar wrote:

Teenagers face a lot of repression, from their schools, parents, etc. So put them on the internet with no filter and they think its suddenly great to be "edgy" and say non-pc things.

They also just love attention.

That might only make up 10% of the players but normal people who are tired of it will turn off their general chat, so they make up 80% of the global chat group.



As someone mentioned, HC it is totally different, you get good advice, thoughtful tips, adult conversation (mostly). Does this mean edgelords suck at the game and almost none play HC? Probably.

HC community is more mature because well the peeps there ARE in fact older. Younger generation / young gamers & newcomers in PoE mostly play in SC trade leagues. In that sense, HC is a lot more chill

I turned on global 1 in hc ssf (I think ssf and non-ssf are in the same channel) yesterday, and it was just as bad as sc global 1

All I ask for in poe chat.... Please do not PM people with

@Player Hi, I would like to buy your Tabula Rasa Simple Robe in Delirium (stash tab "$"; position: left 9, top 9) Price?

@Player Hey, you there? Price?

@Player Hey you there?



Just make an offer... You typically don't get a response because either I'm busy trading, mapping or afk.







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To be honest I prefer the version of this scenario that contrasts anonymity to names and titles. Peoples perspectives change drastically when you place a value on each person such as doctor, or child. It is very valid when it comes to general chat however, people in this setting literally have no contextual value to those typing these toxic comments. Food for thought.




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Boem wrote:

Anybody with half a brain knows that a racist in global chat is in fact not racist but playing a meta game to see when people respond offended to get their dopamine rush.

As far as your "psychology" angle goes, its bunk.

Role-playing as a racist is exactly what somebody does who doesn't want to end up a racist, he's mastering the character-type so he can switch to it and away from it when desired.

"A racist is not a racist but pretending to be a racist". What utter nonsense. You don't need to intentionally practice being racist now in order to not be racist later.

More importantly, this acceptance of racist behaviour is itself racism. Because an anti-racist person would reject the behaviour and do better.

If a person who exhibits racist behaviour is comfortable doing so, if they justify their right to be racist based on something as selfish as "it gives me a dopamine rush" (or indeed, for any other such reason), then they have internalised their racist attitudes, which I guess is another way of saying "they are racist".

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Anybody with half a brain knows that a racist in global chat is in fact not racist but playing a meta game to see when people respond offended to get their dopamine rush.

As far as your "psychology" angle goes, its bunk.

Role-playing as a racist is exactly what somebody does who doesn't want to end up a racist, he's mastering the character-type so he can switch to it and away from it when desired.

"A racist is not a racist but pretending to be a racist". What utter nonsense. You don't need to intentionally practice being racist now in order to not be racist later.

More importantly, this acceptance of racist behaviour is itself racism. Because an anti-racist person would reject the behaviour and do better.

If a person who exhibits racist behaviour is comfortable doing so, if they justify their right to be racist based on something as selfish as "it gives me a dopamine rush" (or indeed, for any other such reason), then they have internalised their racist attitudes, which I guess is another way of saying "they are racist".

Please take your dumb post-modernism to somebody that actually cares.

People make racist jokes all the time without actually being "racist", nobody cares about them as long as the context is clear.

"A internet game chat" is a perfectly clear context.

And tell me what internalised racism is and how it has been scientifically proven, because as far as i know its a debunked paper that got dug up and now see's the light of day by some defunct wannabee's that can't prove their theory's.
Like much of the post-modern rhetoric.

Peace,

-Boem-

Sooo...speaking as someone who's a person of color themselves, can we kindly drop the bullshit racism discussion? Global chat hasn't bothered me much in all these years, and I've been on it often enough. So that's my 'lived experience', which in some circles is apparently a big deal for some reason. You can choose to contrast that with the lived experience of some other people you know I guess, but even then it'd still be (presumably) white people picking and choosing whose take they prefer, to suit their own ends. The people on global chat can sometimes be silly and immature, but it hardly ever comes across as serious and so barely ever bothered me.

Besides, if you want to stand up for the oppressed, might I suggest you rise to the defense of people who like anime instead. I guarantee you they get abused a lot more in global chat for their tastes, for similarly baseless reasons, so feel free to champion their protection instead (if you insist on taking this seriously that is).

When you make a thread about toxic global chat and the thread itself becomes poison.

-60% to chaos resistance.

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mina97 wrote:

When you make a thread about toxic global chat and the thread itself becomes poison.

-60% to chaos resistance.

Go on, pretend you didn't see it coming.

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DreadLordAvatar wrote:

It’s toxic because of this game. I’ll stop there.

100%. I've never met a nicer guy more content to take money from people by selling them a product that turns them into completely amoral savages. I really, really haven't. OTOH I don't personally know any drug dealers or casino operators, so maybe I'm just naive. ^_^

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Exile009 wrote:

Sooo...speaking as someone who's a person of color themselves, can we kindly drop the bullshit racism discussion? Global chat hasn't bothered me much in all these years, and I've been on it often enough. So that's my 'lived experience', which in some circles is apparently a big deal for some reason. You can choose to contrast that with the lived experience of some other people you know I guess, but even then it'd still be (presumably) white people picking and choosing whose take they prefer, to suit their own ends. The people on global chat can sometimes be silly and immature, but it hardly ever comes across as serious and so barely ever bothered me.

Let me translate that: 'I'm a person of color and insults and verbal abuse aimed at persons of color don't bother me so they're fine, leave them (presumably) white people alone!'

Doesn't seem quite so tenable when you put it that way, does it?

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Let me translate that: 'I'm a person of color and insults and verbal abuse aimed at persons of color don't bother me so they're fine, leave them (presumably) white people alone!'

Doesn't seem quite so tenable when you put it that way, does it?

It's entirely tenable. People of all walks of life get shit on, race has little to do with it.

It's like people who cant differentiate between in-group preference and racism.

It's childish.

A free society demands mentally though people else it cannot work. It needs hero's, not victim to be lauded for their actions.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : also lol at the final touch "leave them white people alone" as if verbal abuse at people of color only comes from white people.
You joking at this point.