Exp Loss is freaking unbalanced

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fragmaster92 wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

there is 1 good solution to this problem:

Stop Dying.

This.

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...why there must be a death penalty and why the way it has been working is intended ...

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Courageous wrote:

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...why there must be a death penalty and why the way it has been working is intended ...

The current amount of the XP penalty is rather arbitrary. 7.5% in Cruel is nothing. In Merciless @ 15%, this stretches from a little ouch to holy crap what a bummer. At high enough levels, even a 5% loss is still well more than enough to discourage death zerging or anything else. Since I regard that observation as obviously true, this is why I have suggested that the penalty be moved to a normalized time investment in minutes M starting at level L, where L is probably 70 or so. How many IRL minutes M lost do you think is sufficient to discourage a player from bad builds, play styles, or bad in game behavior?

Now that part isn't obvious, and is rather subjective. I'd say about 30, though.

--C

p.s. since people sometimes pick at this, minutes M are intended to be normalized to the amount of XP the average player earns during the time period. Hence, particularly good players would be less penalized by this penalty than bad ones. That seems fair.

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Undon3 wrote:

Now, if I die at 83, with the maps I have, it will take me at least 2-3 days to get back at 4-5 hours/day. This is not reasonable. The XP penalty is reasonable maybe when you can recuperate in 30-40 minutes (at most!) the lost XP, and you also have content where to level up. Beyond that... what can I say. There is no need to be punished on more levels at once: you lose XP, you also basically lost the maps you ran for those 15%, and all the currency involved in their rolling :\

Also, there is no reason the game should punish you more the higher level you are. Absolutely none. The game should REWARD YOU more for reaching high levels.

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In PoE you have to play PROPERLY in order to avoid death.

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thepmrc wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

Now, if I die at 83, with the maps I have, it will take me at least 2-3 days to get back at 4-5 hours/day. This is not reasonable. The XP penalty is reasonable maybe when you can recuperate in 30-40 minutes (at most!) the lost XP, and you also have content where to level up. Beyond that... what can I say. There is no need to be punished on more levels at once: you lose XP, you also basically lost the maps you ran for those 15%, and all the currency involved in their rolling :\

Also, there is no reason the game should punish you more the higher level you are. Absolutely none. The game should REWARD YOU more for reaching high levels.

Well first of all you are very slow, death at 85 was about 4-5 hours of farming 66/67 maps so if it is 8-10 hours at 83 for you than you are going pretty slow.

Your statement about the XP penalty only being reasonable if you can recuperate it in 30-40 minutes is completely arbitrary and has no substantive meaning. It is simply an opinion and nothing more. As is the statement that the punishment should not scale as you get higher level. In fact there are reasons why it should and they have been stated in this thread. The fact that you ignore them does not mean they do not exist. You are climbing a ladder, the higher you go, the harder you fall. That is a very simple way to look at it. If you want to hit 100 you are going to have to not die. Personally I enjoy that fact.

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Drucinda wrote:

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In PoE you have to play PROPERLY in order to avoid death.

This is crap. What does dying to dc, or being one shot by a boss off screen where you can't even see what killed you, have to do with playing PROPERLY? I don't necessarily have a problem with xp loss on death, I just have a problem with the ridiculous amount that you lose.

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Undon3 wrote:

Also, I didn't follow any build guides, this is basically my first character which I made as close as possible to a pure caster glass cannon (to be able to enjoy it), and because of that, I do slow runs in certain map/mob configurations. It kept me alive since lvl 80 or so...

You need to account for situations like these too...

And I didn't even take into consideration the amount of time that is needed to farm the currency needed to do maps.