''This game will dethrone PoE''

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Redthorne82 wrote:

I try and try to understand, but I can't see the "Wolcen DEAD GAME" viewpoint.

People complaining about server stability, crashes, bugs...sure...it would be better if the game hadn't released with these problems.

However, they went from 1 chapter to 3, fleshed out endgame for release, and (most importantly) went from 1800 concurrent players to over 100,000.

There was NO way they could have anticipated that. Imagine working at a clothing store that has 10 customers a day, then one day, having 1,000 customers.

The infrastructure wouldn't hold that many people. It would be physically impossible to handle that many customers on what would probably be a 2 person staff.

I've seen video of 1.0 PoE...and I think people are forgetting how HORRIBLE it was. Desync everywhere, rubberbanding, dying to literally nothing...

I'm not defending Wolcen as a POE killer or anything. I'm just saying that comparing a game that's been out for 7 years vs one that's been out for 7 days...is a bit of logical fallacy. Might as well take a 7 day old child and slap them across the face for not being able to pass their 2nd grade spelling test.

Obviously, it shouldn't take 7 years to become playable...but give it a couple months before making outrageous claims. Hell, even Anthem lived longer than 7 days. :D

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Destructodave wrote:

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Redthorne82 wrote:

I try and try to understand, but I can't see the "Wolcen DEAD GAME" viewpoint.

People complaining about server stability, crashes, bugs...sure...it would be better if the game hadn't released with these problems.

However, they went from 1 chapter to 3, fleshed out endgame for release, and (most importantly) went from 1800 concurrent players to over 100,000.

There was NO way they could have anticipated that. Imagine working at a clothing store that has 10 customers a day, then one day, having 1,000 customers.

The infrastructure wouldn't hold that many people. It would be physically impossible to handle that many customers on what would probably be a 2 person staff.

I've seen video of 1.0 PoE...and I think people are forgetting how HORRIBLE it was. Desync everywhere, rubberbanding, dying to literally nothing...

I'm not defending Wolcen as a POE killer or anything. I'm just saying that comparing a game that's been out for 7 years vs one that's been out for 7 days...is a bit of logical fallacy. Might as well take a 7 day old child and slap them across the face for not being able to pass their 2nd grade spelling test.

Obviously, it shouldn't take 7 years to become playable...but give it a couple months before making outrageous claims. Hell, even Anthem lived longer than 7 days. :D

How exactly can they not anticipate that? The game is digitally sold on Steam. If my friend can get an up to date sales log on every toy he sells on Amazon, I'm pretty sure Wolcen can get an update on every copy of Wolcen they sold.

This isnt 10 years ago, when Hard Copies and estimations were a thing. They know the exact number of copies they have sold.

They knew exactly how many copies they sold. They knew exactly how many copies they sold the previous 2-3 weeks since launch announcement. I seriously doubt they were massively flooded post-launch, when they raised the price to 40 bucks. They were top 3 seller for weeks before the launch. You telling me they cant get a better grasp on popularity? Those 2-3 weeks of sells were definitely going to be playing the first week.

And I'm tired of hearing about the poor small team indie devs. Their team is 40 people. Its not massive, but its not 4 guys in a garage, either. And anyways, I dont care about these excuses. What matters is the end product. If your team is so small or your resources are too thin to be able to put out your vision, dial it back. You dont get participation points in life.

I just get tired of hearing this excuse. "Oh but they only had 1k people during EA!!" So what? They were not nearly as blindsided by the popularity as you think they are, because they know exactly the amount of games that have been sold. Especially recently, where most of the players are going to come from.

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Asmosis wrote:

I'll probably play this one for a bit, but TBH PoE has ruined ARPG's for me. Whenever i play (another) one i always think "i could be doing this in PoE right now".

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Destructodave wrote:

How exactly can they not anticipate that? The game is digitally sold on Steam. If my friend can get an up to date sales log on every toy he sells on Amazon, I'm pretty sure Wolcen can get an update on every copy of Wolcen they sold.

This isnt 10 years ago, when Hard Copies and estimations were a thing. They know the exact number of copies they have sold.

They knew exactly how many copies they sold. They knew exactly how many copies they sold the previous 2-3 weeks since launch announcement. I seriously doubt they were massively flooded post-launch, when they raised the price to 40 bucks. They were top 3 seller for weeks before the launch. You telling me they cant get a better grasp on popularity? Those 2-3 weeks of sells were definitely going to be playing the first week.

And I'm tired of hearing about the poor small team indie devs. Their team is 40 people. Its not massive, but its not 4 guys in a garage, either. And anyways, I dont care about these excuses. What matters is the end product. If your team is so small or your resources are too thin to be able to put out your vision, dial it back. You dont get participation points in life.

I just get tired of hearing this excuse. "Oh but they only had 1k people during EA!!" So what? They were not nearly as blindsided by the popularity as you think they are, because they know exactly the amount of games that have been sold. Especially recently, where most of the players are going to come from.

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Arrowneous wrote:

Oh look... another frivolous I_No post.

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Redthorne82 wrote:

However, they went from 1 chapter to 3, fleshed out endgame for release, and (most importantly) went from 1800 concurrent players to over 100,000.

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codetaku wrote:

Oh, I don't think Wolcen is a "dead" game. I just think that, for now, it seems like a *bad* game.

It could get better, maybe, but if I ever decide to buy it, I'm definitely never playing Online unless I hear that they have completely reset it (or made a League/Ladder system like PoE/D2).

Whiiiiich probably means I'll wait until they've made a bunch of endgame expansions that are all considered super fun and interesting for single player mode.