Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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Draegnarrr wrote:

You absolutely can collect a ridiculous amount of tat but you don't need to use any of those and actually most of them are a waste to store and the content ones like splinters, fragments etc don't actually take up very much space.

The question isn't whether its easier to do it with extra tabs its whether you can do it without and the answer is yes, if you had no tabs at all i'd agree you are forced to buy some but the default 4 is enough to play the game if you aren't a hoarder.

Which admittedly will be pretty hard for a new player who won't know just how fucking worthless almost everything you loot is but still :P its free.

All your points are good btw i've nothing wrong with your argument I just personally know from experience what its like to play the game with 4 tabs so I know it really isn't that bad. I've only got about 10 now and frankly I could fit everything I actually want to keep in my one quad tab the rest is just me being lazy.

Knowing that I can't really just pretend the game suddenly becomes unplayable with 4, it'd be harder if you were a dedicated SSF player but on trade league everyone else stores your shit for you.

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Turtledove wrote:

PoE is absolutely Free to Try Out.

PoE is Free to Play if you're extremely poor or extremely cheap or extremely casual.

PoE is much better if you pay at least a little bit, 500 mtx points or so. GGG deserves at least a little something for making a game you enjoy.

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ajo wrote:

I'm glad that Wolcen didn't go the free-to-play route. I sure won't be missing the added inconveniences of a bloated item system that you can somewhat "bypass" by spending money.

And IMO, poe should go full pay-to-win. There is no need to pretend that the game is above all other free-to-play models and "will never be pay-to-win" when the game clearly funnels the players into buying non-cosmetical conviniences by design.

POE should have no tabs whatsoever in my dream scenario. Items, currency, fragments, cards, maps and all the other bloat shouldn't even need the amount of manual sorting that is required today. But since selling the "solution" is more profitable, we need to drive those new average non-paying player into the microtransaction by frustration.

And that's why I say that poe should go full pay-to-win and just admit it. You can't have a grayzone without affecting both payers and non-payers negative. Adding too much convenience would decrease the need for the purchased advantage while too much convenience would make the game appear more pay-to-win which TGGG is very scared of. So we get something mediocre instead that gets better if you pay, but still pretty bad in order to fly under the pay-to-win radar.

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ajo wrote:

No it isn't. With your perspective even rmt wouldn't be pay-to-win because it would only matter if you could do without rmt.

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Nubatron wrote:

We should address the P2W elements in POE I suppose. These things really need addressed within the game:

-Needing to wait for your energy bar to refill so you can do more instances is awful. Having to pay for energy just screams P2W.
-Paying for DPS and defensive boosters in order to be able to beat end game bosses is garbage.
-Buying a level 60 character to skip the leveling process really puts people that want to try out new builds but don't have money at a disadvantage.
-Experience boosters really gives an advantage to people who can pay.
-The ability to buy a Headhunter from the GGG store is just plain not fair.
-Why would anyone grind currency when the GGG store just sells it to you? They need to stop that.
-Credit Card warriors are dominating the game over skilled players through purchasing equipment in the RMAH.
-I don't understand how paying for resurrect in hardcore is a thing. How can it be hardcore if you can buy your way out of death?
-The White Rhoa pet that costs $100 and gives 10% boost to drop "luck" (IIR/IIQ) is clearly a big advantage to those that can afford it.

They really need to remove these from POE.