Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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Vendetta wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

It is free to play. Just because you think its impossible to play the game without all those things doesnt make it true.

Even though it is...Even my friend that is poor had to go out of his way and invest in at least map tab / currency tab.


With just the initial tabs to have maps / currency , not to mention items for trade and so on was just too much.


Playing the game is indeed free but playing the game without those QOL's is just torture.

You start a guild, create other characters and invite them into your guild.

Then use the guild stash to transfer loot between characters and create mules.

As for the OP, people have pushed lvl 100 with accounts without any stuff on it and been very succesfull because it forces them to spend less time on items and sorting etc.

So just like you can say stash tabs are QoL an argument can be made that they slow you down in gameplay because you start hoarding the more space you have.

The basic premise is that you can play and enjoy all content in the game for free and that you cant buy game advantages in the shop. This still remains true to this day and that makes it F2P.

People arguing stash tabs QoL are like people arguing certain MTX reduce laag or make game-play more visible, just looking for straws to pull on in the absence of ever having played a real money-grab game.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

People arguing stash tabs QoL are like people arguing certain MTX reduce laag or make game-play more visible...

Seriously? Not even remotely the case. For starters, the latter is subjective and often based on graphics settings, hardware, and personal preference.

The former is mathematically inarguable. More organized stashes (specifically currency/specialty tabs) with exponentially more space are by definition, QoL.

I generally don't respond to your posts because they're argumentative for the sake of argument (not constructive, just abstractly so). But this one is beyond logic.

The fact your arguing that having more stash tabs isn't subjective or personal preference already loses your case.

Like i said already, one of the people who won the hardcore 100 race used 4 stash tabs and he actually argued it helps him win.

And i also mentioned that you can create mule characters with four additional stash tabs each, easily banking stuff between them with the guild functionality.

Your paying for convenience, nothing else and it isn't "required".

Not quite sure how many characters a single account can hold, but im betting around 40 stash tabs total wouldn't be far off, you can just multiply your stash tabs to however many you want "for free" by creating more accounts and adding them to your guild.

Even without paying, your free to hoard all the stuff you want in PoE.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Redthorne82 wrote:

Technically, it's not strictly pay to buy immediate power, but it's at the point where the detriment caused by NOT buying tabs is LOTS of time, potential power, and stress.

Lots of time? Well, it's a good thing that all video games are time sinks, then - created for you to spend time in.

I'm not one of those that would define PoE as "P2W". A lot of people will appear in this thread, trying to convince people that "P2W" has a set definition. It hasn't. So everything is subjective here. So whether or not PoE is "P2W", depends on your personal definition.

ANYHOW! With that said, GGG should increase the number of "free" tabs. It's kinda crazy that the game has the same amount of starting tabs that it did 7 years ago. One (premium) quad tab to every account would solve A LOT. Not only space wise, but it would also give players easier access to trade.

It IS time, GGG.

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ajo wrote:

How does that matter. Some runners from Kenya doesn't use shoes when competing and still manages to win. Does this mean that having shoes doesn't provide ANY ADVANTAGE? How about doping? Should doping be generally accepted because some random pro can perform just fine without drugs. See how stupid your argument is? Btw, you are talking about like 1 player in the entire player base of poe.

O but you see this gets even funnier because the guy he's talking about is aila. Aila bought stash tabs. A LONG fucking time ago.

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yamface wrote:

O but you see this gets even funnier because the guy he's talking about is aila. Aila bought stash tabs. A LONG fucking time ago.

How's that funny? A player, playing this game for years, proving you can do everything - competitive - with four tabs, wanting to increase the numbers of tabs, and at the same time support the company creating a game he has been playing for years?

A lot of this debate comes from the "confusion" of what "F2P" means. "F2P" has never meant "enjoy the game - and all its features - without paying a dime". Some people DEMAND to not pay a dime. And once they're encouraged to buy something, they scream "P2W" straight away.

"F2P" is a business model, not a charity. Everyone knows that. Some forget it. The game HAS to encourage you to buy stuff. Does it cross the "P2W" line? Nah, not in my eyes. There is no set definition here, so the thread shouldn't be about "P2W or not". It should be about "should GGG increase the number of tabs for all players". The answer is "yes".

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ajo wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Like i said already, one of the people who won the hardcore 100 race used 4 stash tabs and he actually argued it helps him win.

How does that matter.

It's an easy counter argument against the op's claim about personal preference when he answered me.

As for your "time" argument, time doesn't limit your freedom to enjoy the content of the game for free.

And the moment time becomes important(racing) stash tabs become the least important.
I would also argue that if your at a point that you wanna race seriously, you probably spend plenty of time on PoE which should warrant some buy in.

I played this game for three years with four stash tabs, didn't even use mules or allts, literally had no problem playing it to the endgame and seriously.
Just means you pick up only the "real good stuff" and divide your stash in

1) dumb
2) currency
3) maps
4) hoard

It can be done, it has been done and people will continue to do it. People pay to hoard, but the game doesn't require you to hoard, it's not a
"win condition".

Peace,

-Boem-

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yamface wrote:

O but you see this gets even funnier because the guy he's talking about is aila. Aila bought stash tabs. A LONG fucking time ago.

HAHA FUNNY. Aila bought stash tabs after he already competed at a high level for multiple seasons and won some events.
I didn't know buying stash tabs retroactively devaluates that.
This guy (-_-)

I've said it before it's free to download but you will have to drop money regardless if you want to keep playing.

Oh and I don't give a shit about mule characters it's 2020 creating space through spaming useless alts for more space is just lame.

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Xystre wrote:

but you will have to drop money

No. You would "want to". There's a huge difference there.

You would probably "have to, if...". But these "if's" aren't human rights. Or needed for everyone. Or a requirement to enjoy the game.

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Phrazz wrote:

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Xystre wrote:

but you will have to drop money

No. You would "want to". There's a huge difference there.

You would probably "have to, if...". But these "if's" aren't human rights. Or needed for everyone. Or a requirement to enjoy the game.

you have to, you will NOT change my mind.

fooling yourself that you wont in the long run it's naive..

are you a kid? I'm sure you're not, don't pretend to be dumb on purpose to try to prove a point to someone you will never meet in your life.